Hi folks. I’m sick as hell this week, so the answers will be a bit more abrupt than usual. Doesn’t mean I don’t like you, it’s just a side effect of not being able to breathe through my nose, all of my muscles hurting, and my head feeling like it weighs 30 pounds. Let’s just guzzle some more Emergen-C and power through this.
Captain Caveman,
I recently started working with what I presume to be my dream girl. We went to a happy hour and hit it off. I asked her out to dinner, and we had a great time. When I was dropping her off in front of her door and about to make a move, her brother came down and kind of dispelled any chance I had for the night. I guess the problem started when I was moved right next to her in the office.
Wait, why was her brother there when you dropped her off? Does she still live at home? Was her brother visiting? Does he live with her? And why is the thing about the office part of this paragraph? What’s happening? Did my fever write your email?
We were constantly together all the time, it was kind of like being forced into a serious relationship by the office. During our date, we made plans to go out on another, so I asked her out again. Not sure what happened, but it eventually came down to her telling me, “Because we sit so close to each other it might ruin our work environment (or some shit like that). What I got from it? It’s not gonna work out. And I totally took the steps necessary to blow her off. Problem is, she asked me when we were going to go out on the date that I had mentioned before. Whatever.
I went out with her, and again, we hit it off.
She told you nothing was going to happen because you work next to each other, then she asked when you were going out again? I need more aspirin.
I believe that I am about to get friend-zoned, which tell you the truth, I have no use for. Once you’re in the friend-zone, you are just an emotional crutch until the girl has a boyfriend. I have enough girl friends that will blow me off once they get boyfriends so I don’t really see the point in actually trying to feign a friendship with a girl that I have romantic feelings for.
I guess my questions are: Should I cut my losses and avoid this girl?
Yes.
Should I pursue her anyway?
No.
Should I try the friend route and see what happens?
That’s a stupid question and you know it.
I am serious when I say that she is my dream girl. That is probably the only reason I am wrestling with these feelings. Bitches be actin cray.
Thanks,
Ball So Hard University Grad.
Dream girl, huh? Is “flighty nitwit” part of your feminine ideal? If you want her so bad, the best thing you can do is blow her off. Don’t initiate any contact with her, and repeatedly tell her that you’re “just really busy right now” when she tries to talk to you. This will make her feel unwanted, which will make her want to win you back. By the time that happens, you’ll have the choice of blowing her off for good or breaking past that mysterious guard-brother she has at home.
If all of this sounds like a dick-ish head game to play, well, yeah, it kind of is. But she initiated this nonsense with her mixed messages, so to hell with her. This is how people who aren’t genuine deserve to be treated.
(Oh, also: don’t sleep with co-workers.)
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Dear Mr. Caveman,
I know that it is a horrible idea to date someone that you work with, but my situation is kind of wacky and I would greatly appreciate your advice.
I am currently working for an Americorps program that is stationed in the woods of Central New England. My 28 fellow interns and I will be living in a state park for the next 10 months where we will be teaching in the local school system for 5 months and rebuilding trails for the other 5.
That sounds pretty cool. Plus, it hits the Trifecta of Evil according to staunch Republicans: education, conservation, and a government-funded program.
/PolFlaWa
We will be doing everything from eating, to cleaning, to creating lesson plans together. These people will basically be my family for the next year. Our cabins are heated by wood burning stoves and don’t have running water or electric lights. However, the dining/community living area is heated with a furnace and has electricity and running water. The male to female ratio is approximately 1:1 and there are no rules against hooking up with each other.
That’s gonna be a long fucking winter, but it otherwise sounds pleasantly rugged, so long as there aren’t too many assholes.
I’m not sure if I lucked out or what, but I expected the female population at this camp to consist of ugly lesbians, unshaven hippies, and other unkempt women. However, when I arrived I was pleasantly surprised to find that there was a beautiful, tall, skinny, blonde girl who is also smart and on the same page about most things as me.
What should I do? This is basically it for my relationship pool at the moment. However, I’m going to be living in extremely close quarters with these folks for the next 10 months and people are bound to get jealous/angry/annoyed with one another. I don’t know if I want to complicate that even more by adding any sort of physical relationship to that equation.
You’re young and idealistic and horny. The first time booze and weed get passed around, people are gonna end up fucking. Might as well be you and the hot blonde girl.
Also, if I end up trying to get closer with this girl, all of my flirting experience has been with texting.
Holy shit, you’re one of the young people that Louis C.K. is always talking about in his act!
I mean, it has to be said that Americorps is way better than being a barista, but still: put the phone away and LOOK at people more often. That goes for everybody reading this. (And yeah, for me too.)
This isn’t really that big of a deal but it’s definitely a road block to my final destination (depending on what I decide to do).
Thanks for your help.
— It’s Cold Out Here
I wouldn’t rush into anything, but I wouldn’t write anything off, either. Just enjoy making friends and doing good work. If you happen to get laid and/or fall in love and/or get your heart ripped out, well, that’s life and these things happen. Enjoy everything to the fullest, even your mistakes.
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Dear Sage of the Internet,
Football: I have to choose a keeper for next year. I’m undecided between Forte and Megatron. I’m a hopeless homer and will probably keep Forte but any advice you have would be appreciated. Finished 5th for 3 years in a row. It’s like I’m one of the not-so ugly chicks at the bar at closing time.
Forte was incredible this year up until his injury (especially if you had a PPR league) — and that’s precisely why I’d go with Calvin Johnson. Your choices are a great fantasy back with some injuries and an inconsistent streak, or the no-doubt #1 fantasy receiver in the game who never gets hurt because he’s bigger than everyone trying to tackle him and who still catches touchdown passes even when his quarterback gets hurt.
Sex/Advice:
If you’ll indulge me, I’d like to give some advice of my own. I’m in the Navy (yeah, effin’ squid) and I spent a lot of time away from home. I was married to wonderful woman for over ten years. She put up with the military life because she loved me, I loved her and we have three beautiful children that are the reason I have for living. I never noticed how much I didn’t do. If that makes sense. She did everything, worked, bills, kids, house, pets. She took care of all of it while I was away and I got used to it. I wouldn’t do squat around the house when I was home because I figured she would take care of it. I never strayed, nobody ever measured up to her. But I did take her for granted. She did ask me to do more around the house when I was home, asked me to help with the shopping and whatnot but I was too busy or too lazy.
She left me. Not for another guy, not because she hates me. But because I didn’t do anything to make her life easier. There is nothing I regret more than not telling her how much I appreciate her, how much she means to me, how much having her in my life makes me happy. You’ve said many times that you can’t make somebody love you. But you can make someone fall out of love with you. If you’re reading this and are lucky enough to have someone you love in your life, please take twenty minutes out of your week and let them know it. Do the friggin’ dishes now and then. I know it’s not the end of the world for me, sure does feel like it though. My kids are number one, I’ll always have them. I know I’ll move on eventually, but I know I will never find someone like her again. Life doesn’t let you get that lucky. Get off the computer and give your significant other a hug, right now. Tell that person how much they mean to you. Hold them like you never want to let them go.
– Heart torn like an ACL.
That was super-depressing, but thank you. You make a very good point.
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Cap’n-
Girlfriend broke up with me somewhat unexpectedly. She’s going through a lot (insane grad program and sick family member), and said she feels guilty, like there’s no room or emotion left for a relationship. We are very much in love, and she swears this was the only reason for the breakup. For what it’s worth, I believe her. She said she still wants to talk, and while normally in a breakup that’s a terrible idea, I want to see her, talk to her, and be there for her. I know this makes it sound like we’ll get back together, but I don’t want to get wrapped up in that line of thinking. How should I handle this? I’m thinking the “keep my distance, take care of myself, but be available for her” is the play, but welcome dissenting opinions.
No, fuck that. Keep your distance and take care of yourself, that’s it. Tie that “be available for her” caveat to a cement block and drop it into the nearest body of water that can be seen from space.
Relationships do NOT work that way. You don’t love someone and share their bed and get emotionally attached to them, then say, “I don’t have room for you in my life, except for conversations where you offer me emotional support.” I don’t care how busy your life is or which family member’s on life support: it’s a selfish thing to ask.
When a girl breaks up with a guy, she wants to “stay friends” for at least one or both of these reasons:
- It keeps you close and emotionally involved. This pays off in attention, which makes her feel desirable and wanted. It’s also a nice fail-safe in case she changes her mind and wants you again — she can always turn to what’s on the back burner.
- It makes her feel better about herself. When a relationship ends, everyone’s feelings get hurt. Sure, the rejection of getting dumped is the worse side to be on, but the dump-er feels guilt for hurting someone’s feelings. If you stay friends, then she doesn’t have to face the pain she caused you! HOORAY! She doesn’t have to feel guilty!
This is your dissenting opinion: she can have your full love and support through her difficult time, or she can have none of it. Do NOT be her emotional crutch — she’ll only discard you when she can walk again.
Fantasy: Uh, not really my main focus here (scary that I view this site as therapy first, football second), but what are your views on fantasy during the playoffs? I’m in a league for the first time this year, and after winning my regular season league, my horrible showing is tarnishing my glory.
-Bannister Jones
I’m not enamored with those playoff fantasy challenges, but I suppose they’re a decent form of methadone if you’re jonesing hard enough. And don’t sweat losing ‘em — there’s no tarnishing a league championship. That’s yours to enjoy the rest of your life.
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Dear Caveman,
Fantasy: My crappy team was completely torpedoed by Purple Jesus’s ankle injury. For next year, any good ideas for late round sleeper picks? Think Daniel Thomas will break out?
I liked what I saw from Thomas when he was healthy and playing, but I’m troubled by two things: (1) new coach, and (2) the emergence, finally, of Reggie Bush. Now, I’m not so foolish to think that Bush will stay healthy for a full season, but until we see how training camps go, I’d think of Thomas as more of a handcuff than a sleeper.
As for other sleepers, I’m tired and sick and don’t feel like looking up names and crunching numbers. Ask me again in August.
Sex: I casually dated my roommate for roughly three months. We started as friends, and drunkenly hooked up.
Oh, savvy move! I bet this story turns out great with everyone really happy!
We live a large house with 6 other people. We were exclusive, spent tons of time together but we never really defined the relationship because she was coming off a bad breakup and wanted to take things slow for a while. She never pushed to make it official but I could tell that she was way more into the relationship then I and I didn’t see a long term future so I broke it off. We had a couple other minor problems but that comes with dating someone. She felt the split was premature and that I could maybe feel differently with more time. Isn’t liking someone the one thing in a relationship that you shouldn’t have to work on?
I have a hard time arguing against that.
Is my reason for breaking up with her legitimate? I feel it is but I have never really broken up with anyone before. This question sounds stupid to me but she isn’t really accepting it as a legitimate reason.
Here’s you a couple seconds ago: “I didn’t see a long term future.” I’ve always been of the mindset that as soon as you know you definitely don’t want to marry a girl you’re dating, you break up with her. Unless she was, like, crazy hot in bed. Then the bad news could wait a little bit.
Secondly, she is really broken up about it. Any tips for being the good friend of someone that you just broke up with?
Yes. Don’t live in the same house that she lives in.
Is there any way to “be there” for someone you just dumped?
No. You “being there” for her is just going to be her crying while she asks you the same questions (“But WHY?”) over and over again until you either storm out or give up and fuck her, thus compounding all the problems you’re dealing with at the moment.
Any chance I can ever date anyone else as long as I live with her?
Thanks,
-Keeping it in house
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Sure, as long as the new girl never sets foot in your house. No problem at all.
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El Capitan,
Fantasy: Because everyone (no one) cares about leagues other than their own. I won the Super Bowl in one league, finished out of the money in another. Hey thanks a lot DeSean Jackson for such a fine contract year performance, and a special thank you to a buggy live auction site that didn’t acknowledge my +1 bid on Calvin Johnson with 5 seconds left on the timer and let him go to the eventual league winner at $15 below expected price.
“I have no question.”
Sex: I have a wedding question that, considering your upcoming nuptials, might be of interest. A cousin of mine is getting married this summer and my wife and I will be invited to the wedding. We live 500 miles away and have two grade school aged children. I recently received an e-mail stating that the bride and groom have decided to make the ceremony and reception adults and high school aged children only. The parents of the groom have offered to have our kids stay at their house with a babysitter. Etiquette-wise this is all well and good but my question is whether I should now graciously decline the invitation.
The wife and I would be taking a day off work, the boys would both miss a little league game, and we would be driving 12 hours for the wedding only to leave the kids with a babysitter we don’t know in order to go to the ceremony and reception. Now obviously the wedding is all about the bride and groom and making their day special
Correct. Let’s remember that as we move forward.
and I would not presume to ask that they make exceptions for our kids. However, I’m not sure that we can, in good conscience, take the boys on a long drive and then tell them to stay with a stranger for 6 hours while we go to party town.
We have a very good relationship with this side of the family and though they would be disappointed, I’m pretty sure they would understand and there would be no lingering hard feelings. That being said I’m a little pissed off about this “no children” development. I was never a kid friendly person but always managed to put on a happy face and made nice in family get-togethers where kids were sure to be around. I’m thinking they are being a bit selfish and not considering the practical situations of many relatives that will be put in a similar spot.
-My kids are awesome, yours suck.
Hell yeah they’re being selfish. It’s their wedding. They’re entitled to do it however they want, and if you don’t like it, then you just stay home and be offended that they didn’t consider what’s practical for you. But I’ll tell you one thing: I bet that wedding’s going to kick ass, and people are going to have a great time whether or not you’re there. No one’s gonna be like, “Oh no, MKAAYS and his wife couldn’t make it because it was a hassle for them. If ONLY the bride and groom hadn’t made this wedding so awesome by not allowing any children!”
Your kids are probably great, but let’s get the prevailing opinion out in the open: fuck your stupid kids. Kids are shitty wedding guests. They’re prone to squirming and talking during the ceremony. They’re terrible at dancing. They pick at the food and whine that they want pizza. They don’t drink, but they cost full price toward the head count. Every child at a wedding represents an ACTUAL, MEANINGFUL FRIEND of the bride and groom who wasn’t invited. So, speaking on behalf of the couple getting married, fuck you for thinking your kids somehow have priority over your cousin’s lifelong friends..
Did you ever consider that a wedding without children would be more enjoyable for everyone there — including you? Maybe your cousin wants to be able to dance the night away with you and your wife without one of you disappearing early to tuck the kids into bed. Maybe you can call in a favor to your wife’s parents and have them watch the kids while you enjoy a fun weekend with your wife. Maybe you could graciously accept the six hours of free babysitting instead of bitching about it. Maybe fuck yourself.
Whatever the case, as you said, it’s all about making the bride and groom’s day special, and your kids aren’t part of that.



I propose a moratorium on all future submissions involving “dream girls”, “ideal women”, etc. If she was half as perfect as you’ve built her up to be, you wouldn’t need our help dealing with her.
To the guy with the kids-
It sounds like you have no one to watch the kids at home amiright? If so, two options are obvious. One, go to the wedding and have fun. Treat it like a date night. Weddings are catnip to women, and you can build up good husband points. Connect with the missus and all that touchy feely stuff that guys are accused of not doing. The parents of the groom are going to be connected to you through the cousin, so it might be a nice way to meet them, assuming you are the cousin are close.
Option B-Blow off the wedding. Your kids are only kids once. Working parents have to make the most of off time to spend with your kids. Remember, they will sign off the the nursing home you get dumped in. If you are not involved with the wedding, the cousin is probably just worried about the gift and writing all the damn “thank you” notes and the groom is thinking “when does the honeymoon start”? You probably won’t be missed. If the cousin is not very close to you, no way am I dropping the kids off with strangers.
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The only thing I would say I agree with the last e-mailer about…I wouldn’t be dying to leave my kids with a stranger for 6 hours. Sandusky, anyone? But seriously, you don’t have any family members with whom you can leave the little animals?
Uff – nice one on that last email. My wife and I took it one step further – in addition to banning anyone under 21, we banned our friends from bringing dates unless they were in a serious relationship with their date (6 months or longer, living together, engaged, etc).
We were 24 and spending a decent amount on the wedding so we didn’t really feel like having our dipshit friends pick up some chick/dude at the bar the week before to bring them to our wedding so they would have a date and not be alone. We got a lot of flack for it but it worked out fantastically well – the stories I got from my buddies hooking up with my wife’s sorority sisters were pretty epic . . . and it was the sorority girls who complained the loudest about the rules beforehand.
Go figure.
“Gay Love Quadrangle” would be a great ___________.
… name for an Electric Six tribute band.
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Start?
Dorm on the San Francisco State campus?
Interior design company?
Purchaser of lube?
To Friend Zone:
If a girl says she doesn’t have time for you, don’t give her the time of day.
Case in point. Last Thursday my gf says she’s not going to have time for a relationship this semester. Naturally, I take the gash route and send her plaintive texts and whatnot the next morning, to which she rather coolly responds.
So I was like, “Know what? Fuck it. Do you.” Didn’t text her for five days.
What happens? She texts me at two in the afternoon jonesing for johnson; and she wants to “make things work out” (read: friends with benefits).
Does this suck? Fuck and yes. Is it illogical? No shit; we’re dealing with women here (and before anyone jumps me for being sexist, gay men are easily ten times worse. You have not seen drama until you’ve seen a gay love quadrangle). Ideally, you should be able to be straightforward with women about your feelings and desires.
But, seeing as how most of these women have absolutely zero clue about what it is that they want – whether they’re 18 of 24 (sorry, that’s the extent of my range of experience, I’m only 20) they tend to be more or less clueless. Guys in that age range can be the same way, I guess.
Point is this: Cut that hoe off. Nothing beyond what is required from you out of human decency.
@It’s Cold Out Here: In my experience, the purpose of those programs in the first place is for kids to have experiences with booze and weed and getting naked. Not only should you go for it, you must. Even if it doesn’t work out and you end up having to see her for 10 months with the awkwardness, it sounds like this would be your first time walking through that fire, and it’s an experience you’re going to want to have in life, regardless of how inadvisable it is.
Agreed, the image on my right shoulder says “FUCK HER!!”
RE kids at wedding: I don’t know why people would want to bring kids to a wedding, most kids would be bored shitless. And I certainly don’t think people should complain if their kids are “excluded” from a wedding. That’s fucking retarded. You’d think they’d be glad for an excuse to get away from the spawn for awhile. But some people are ALL about their kids, and if you’re not as enthusiastic about their kids as they are, they take it as an affront.
Just saying, this idea that a child can “ruin” a wedding is some drama queen shit. The real ways a wedding can be ruined:
1) The wedding does not happen because somebody bails
c) The church catches fire and everyone has to flee for their lives, or some other similar disaster
%) Fisticuffs of some sort, especially during the ceremony
None of those things involve kids. Some of ya’ll need to chill the fuck out. There are children EVERYWHERE, and eventually, most of you will have some and will also have to deal with other people’s kids. It’s really not that hard. I find dealing with other adults far more difficult than any child I’ve ever encountered.
Kids may be needy and somewhat helpless, dependent, etc. but they don’t have a shitload of complex emotional baggage (usually) that most adults possess and are not even aware they have. Plus it is easier to tell if a kid is trying to manipulate you (see girl questions above). The thing I love about kids and I’m also jealous of is the shear and complete joy most of them can derive out of simple things.
I don’t plan on any weddings but when I have parties (different situation) kids and dogs are welcome. They just don’t get any scotch.
Well said. We had a kid free wedding not because we hate kids, but because we like our friends with kids and wanted them to have kid free fun. I like weddings where kids are there, but as a parent, you usually have to tend to your kids, you can’t drink, and you have to leave early. Plus, the kids won’t ruin the wedding overall, but they will probably ruin their parents chance of having a relativiely responsibility free time. The no kids policy forces your parent friends to show up without their kids and have a good time even if they would be hesitant to otherwise. That was our motivation and it worked pretty well.
@BSHU Grad- Focus on your career and not your penis, this dream girl will turn into a nightmare if you don’t. These days it’s easier to find a dream girl than a job. This girl is fucking with your head and it will affect your peformance at work if you continue to let her do that, ignore her and move on.
@Bannister – I can’t believe you are seriously considering being her friend after she played like that, grow a pair and move on. When a girl tells you like there’s no room or emotion left for a relationship, that means she either wants to screw someone else or she just doesn’t see herself with you long term and she wants to end it now. Either way she dumped you, pick your pride and make her feel the consequence of her actions. Don’t be a crutch to prop her up while she is emotionally weak, but get tossed out once she’s in a better place. Fuck that, you deserve better.
Got married 8 months ago, did a no kids wedding, is probably the best decision I have ever made in my life. Had cousins with kids who openly bitched to us, just reaffirmed my decisions because I realized they would be the type of people who would let their kid run in the aisle while my wife was walking down and then would laugh and bring it up every family holiday and my life would be ruined. Kids guy, you’re that person.
@ Balls: DON’T…..FEK….WHERE….YOU……WORK
@ It’s Cold: Ignore /\. You are out in the open, cold as balls (we haven’t gotten above freezing here (Afghanistan) in three weeks and there’s women in the same situation? Go for the LONG haul (10 months). Your goal is not a one night stand, but 10 months of one night stands.
@Bannister: Keep MUCH distance. You are her EX-b/f, not her emotional tampon. Do NOT answer the 0100 texts, the 1900 calls on Friday and Saturday “Whatcha doing”. One month of that and she’ll either come running for the taking or move on. (In which case you know).
@ Wedding Schmuck. You know what’s 1000 times more interesting to me than you? My dog. You know what’s 1000 times more interesting to you than me? Your dog. (My dog is 1000 times better behaved than your kids and I won’t be taking her to any weddings either)
My wedding was adults-only. It was the tits. Most everyone left their kids with a sitter, and my uncle RSVPd that he and my aunt would be there without their kids, but they ended up not showing up. Didn’t even call to apologize. Fuckers. Regardless, everyone had a great time, and we didn’t have to pay for 15 plates that weren’t going to be eaten.
Re: Navy Guy. Sorry to hear about the pain. I just wanted to mention that the same rule applies to both genders. My ex didn’t do anything around the house. I worked 2 jobs, a total of 15 hours a day, 5 days a week for 6 years and most of the time when I got home, she hadn’t done anything around the house and usually my daughters made their own dinner. Resentment finally set in and for the last 2 years we were together I was plotting how to get my ass out of the marriage.
We are both still good friends now but if one side is doing the heavy lifting during a marriage, the other side feels neglect. A friend called this phenomenon “entropy”. Meaning unless attention or action is applied to a situation, the situation will inevitably wither and die.
Or maybe I’m just jealous that she sat on her ass, smoked dope and watched General Hospital while I was working my ass off.
That’s probably it.
Eh, I don’t get the kid hate (and I don’t have kids). A wedding is a family celebration, not a piano recital. This idea that the presence of a couple children can “ruin” a wedding is bullshit. “Perfect” weddings are boring. Everybody but people with a giant stick wedged up their ass understands when small children get a little restless or whiny. “But we’re going to be videotaping the wedding” blah blah blah – no one cares. It’s one day. The way you treat your friends and family prior to and on your wedding day is going to be lots more memorable than any other detail. I am guessing that every wedding that’s ever been seriously disrupted has been disrupted by an adult acting like child, not a child acting like a child.
Having said all that, if is THEIR wedding. They get to set the “rules,” no matter how unreasonable they may seem. They may be disappointed if you can’t attend (and you don’t have to attend, it’s an invitation, not a court summons), but I bet a gift will take the edge off the disappointment, plus you’re 2 fewer people they’ll have to pay to feed. If enough people decline to attend but send a gift, the couple may end up making a profit on this thing. Not attending but sending a gift is actually win-win. You don’t have to pay to travel there, they don’t have to pay for you to attend, you get credit for sending the gift, everybody’s happy.
What about this: the people getting married get to invite whoever they want. Maybe that ends up meaning some children that they actually know and like while still excluding other kids or babies that they have no relationship with. If someone’s name isn’t explicity on the invitation or the words: “and guest” or “and family”, then they aren’t invited.
If the invitation says: Mr & Mrs Whoever are cordially invited… it means just the 2 of you. Did they forget to mention the kids? Why wasn’t Billy’s or Sally’s name on the invite? Do you think I should call the bride or groom’s mom to check and see if they just weren’t thinking about people with families? No, no, no. They aren’t forgetful, they are specific. If they want your kids in attendance, they will make that very clear.
The fact that the wedding in question has made additional accomodations for kids to be watch is way above and beyond accomodating. Those people are saints and you should feel nothing but admiration for them.
I am not necessarily anti-kid one way or the other; I am definitively anitpants.
Part of the problem is that those of us who are considerate enough to not bring our kids shouldn’t have to put up with some other assholes’ equally assholish children.
The problem really isn’t the kids, Slash. It’s the whiny ass parents who seem to think that their children are so important that they should be ever present at every major function and event. Some events can be made to fit kids — even weddings. But everyone has the right to say “no, this is an adult event please” without having parents complaining.
You have CLEARLY never tried Young’s Double Chocolate Stout with rich creamy vanilla ice cream.
It’s not about “kid hate.” I love beer, and I love ice cream, but not together. I love kids (not just my own), and I love grown up functions, but not together.
What it’s about is the presumption by parents that other people have to make allowances for their children. The World does not revolve around your kids, or my kids, or anyone else’s kids. Simple, just like never letting rookies run back kicks in an overtime game (who, me, bitter?).
mysterious guard-brother…. GAHAHAHA
Another good rule along with no kids is no pants, even uncle Ted.
ESPECIALLY Uncle Ted! Except then the special game isn’t “just our little secret” anymore…
I kilt with that joke.
Agreed on the non-kids at weddings rule. At age 4, I probably ruined the wedding by making the bride cry for declining to throw out the garter. I was jealous because my sister had caught the bouquet and I also wanted a keepsake, you see.
Same here. At all of the weddings I would go to as a kid, I would drink something like 50 shirley temples, run around the reception hall or hotel we were at pushing all of the doors with alarms, get yelled at by the staff and making my parent curse the day I was born; but I had a great time doing it.
But on the other hand I can totally understand the no kids policy even if we are talking about just the cost aspect of the thing. Weddings are fucking expensive. Adding kids jacks up the price bigtime since you have to pay for each guest. And aside from making up little games, what’s a kid got to do at a wedding anyway? They will hate the food and they don’t yet appreciate the finer points of getting hammered and dancing like a retard.
I don’t know, we attended a friend’s wedding a few months ago and there were a bunch of kids there. At one point during the dinner hour the little ones started this sliding contest on the dance floor. The dance floor was really slippery for some fucked up reason, people were actually slipping on it. So during the break a bunch of these 5 to 10 year olds just started running full speed and sliding on this floor. It was like some midget halftime show. The kids didn’t ruin the fucking thing, in fact they played with each other the whole evening and never seemed to get in anyone’s way or fuck the evening up at all. I don’t know why I used the word “fuck” so many times in this post.
/dick joke.
As everyone else has already said, Bravo on the last one Uff. I was recently married. We had a no kids policy as well, and people with kids basically handled it in one of three ways: some couples left the kids with their parents, came to the wedding together, and had a good time; some (especially cousins) came solo while the other spouse stayed home with the kids; and some didn’t come at all. It was too bad they couldn’t all be there, but 10,000 times better than if they all came, plus 20-30 children, which as Uff points out either means you’re paying extra for each kid or you’re inviting fewer friends.
Basically the attitude boils down to this: we respect that you have kids, and whatever choice you want to make is fine by us, we won’t be offended. But if you think for one second we’re going to plan our wedding to accomodate your kids, you’re out of your damn mind.
This. Cheers!
It’s Cold Out Here —
Go for it. If you’re in the middle of nowhere for ten months (with probably five of them being freezing) with no electricity, you’ll have nothing to do at night other than make bonfires, drink, and hook up. Why do you think all those women back in the 1800s had, like, 12 pregnancies apiece?
Yeti rape; the Himalayas’ terrible secret.
Out there, no one will be able to help when they scream “Rape”
WELL, I find it hard to believe Yetis don’t make you hard; it’s similar to Eskimo women; that’s why it’s so dark.
It’s New England in the winter, there is no heat except for a common room, and you are talking about pounding yetis.
I don’t see any possible way a penis can get hard in that situation unless your memory is photographic and you have gone over to Canada and bought pharmaceutical aides. No way.
And even if it doesn’t work out with the leggy blonde in the long run, hit it once and then you can visualize her while pounding one of the yetis.
I prefer capn’s column in Fever Mode. He’s alot more succinct, puts up way less with the bullshit, and basically his responses just align much more with my personal worldview.
Also I’m gonna go give my GF a footrub cause Navy guy dropped some wisdom on me
Navy guy is totally right. It is easy to take the wife for granted.
/sits on couch, cracks beer, asks wife why dinner isn’t ready yet.
Your kids are probably great, but let’s get the prevailing opinion out in the open: fuck your stupid kids.
I consider posting this as a Facebook status about once a day, often without the first clause.
Bannister, to paraphrase your first paragraph she’s saying “It’s not you, it’s me.”
How often is that actually true?
Friend zone = Danger zone (using Archer’s voice)
“Friend zone” is the new anal.
For some reason, none of those annoy me nearly as much as the people who type “Let’s call her…” in some of these and in 90% of Drew’s DHF columns. If you’re gonna do it, have fun with it by typing “Let’s call her Madusa” or “Let’s call her Psycho Kitten Bitch”
Freudian typo alert.
However; surprise friend zone is not nearly ass interesting.
Either way, Santorum’s involved. (If you’re friends with Rick Santorum.)
Touche. Add all three together, and it’s a wonder why Uff just hasn’t handed the duties off completely to Footsteps Falco.
Long-distance relationship questions are sad you forgot them
And if they’re full of shit, things get messy.
Both involve assholes who are easily tricked?
Solid advice all around. Never,ever suffer through the “Friend Zone.” You either break through or you STOP COMMUNICATING.
Solid advice on the Wedding.
At this point, the “friend zone” question is so old, you might as well have a formatted answer ready. Something like “No, she will not fuck you now nor tomorrow nor ever. Get over her. Move on and find a girl who will. And for God’s sake, don’t pay attention to her ramblings or help her move shit. Be a man, nut up and move the fuck on.”
As for the wedding guy with kids, fuck you. Kids are the worst guests at any serious social event. That’s why they’re not brought along. Leave ‘em with the babysitter, go get your drink and party on and then nail your wife in the bathroom. Chances are you won’t get that chance for another year at least.
Speaking as a former child, kids for eternal least.
Totally agree with one exception. Kids are great at funerals because they are totally freaked out by death and might say something inappropriate or (hopefully) knock over the casket.
Good advice and Louie C.K. links; if this had goats, spicy lube, and schnauzers it would be a one-stopper.
shit, that should’ve said “no kids” idea, not kids-only. Now I sound like a sandusky. Self-imposed timeout until next week.
Love the kids-only idea. Honestly though, my big picture view is that an invitation is simply that – an offer to attend. Aside from like, immediate family, best friends, and members of the bridal party, no one’s obligated to go to every wedding they’re invited to. If something – work, your social schedule, financial issues, whatever – prevents you from attending, send a nice note declining, get em a gift off the registry, and they should shut up. While I really do agree with CC’s view that it is about the people getting married, you still have a choice as to whether you’re going to participate. If you participate, shuddup about the details, it’s their wedding, so they picked how they wanted it. It is not about you. However, the whole idea of Grandma Edna is mad at in-law Nana because Nana’s kids didn’t come to Edna’s daughter’s wedding and etc. … F that. If you’ve got other shit going on and valid reasons why, it shouldn’t be a huge deal to miss a cousin’s wedding. But it is a take-it-or-leave it proposition.
Also, agreed on the hot toddys. I’ma buy some cinnamon sticks on the way home today.
Do the people who offered to take care of the kids while you are at the wedding drive an old dirty van?
So with a ‘rap van’ does the loud bass cover up other noises?
I prefer my rap vans with sliding doors, makes the kidnapping go that much smoother.
I think they included a picture in the wedding invitation: http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Glorious-rape-van.jpg
The kind with no windows other than the porthole (that has curtains)?
Sounds legit.
“By the time that happens, you’ll have the choice of blowing her off for good or breaking past that mysterious guard-brother she has at home.”
Mysterious Guard-Brother might become my new gamer tag. I have no idea why I found that way funnier than it should be.
Selfish wedding guest: Why don’t you fly there? Driving is marginally cheaper with the price of gas, and you would save a crapload of time. Also, why don’t you just leave your kids with someone in your hometown like a friend or family or whatever, and then reciprocate at a later time? I have done that with friends and it is awesome. Your kids can go to little league and hang out with their friends that they like more than you anyway. You can go to the wedding without your kids and get drunk and fuck your wife. And all you have to do is take care of their kids on another weekend where you probably are sitting at home doing nothing anyway. Captain is right, weddings without kids are awesome.
Agreed about the kids, but driving is way better than flying for trips under 12 hours. Actually do the math, flying takes fucking forever, with security and getting a ride and baggage and shit. Driving rules, and you are comfortable, who cares if it takes a marginally longer amount of time?
This was my initial reaction too. Why the fuck would you take kids on that trip at all??? Are you a fucking masochist? 12 hours in a car with my best friends and I want to kill them, and considering that they don’t have to piss or eat every half hour, or ask how much further it is, and enjoy a spontaneous stop a truckstop stripclub, I’m betting they’re better road trippers than your kids.
I love when people realize the right thing, then rant and cry the counter argument. Likely, you realize the truth, but your cunty wife has been in your ear with these whiney-ass theories for days, and you are internalizing her oral menstruation. Stop doing that. it makes everyone hate you.
good day sir!
What Cuntler said.
Wedding guy – it’s not like you’re driving 12 hours, do 6 hours of wedding, then drive 12 hours back right away. Set the 2nd day as a day to do something exciting for the kids to reward them for enduring the trip. Unless the wedding is in Indianapolis or some other hurting city. Then yeah, I’d stay home too.
If the wedding’s in Indy, drive by the Colts’ headquarters. Maybe you’ll be lucky enough to see Peyton and Irsay engaging in the world’s saddest slap fight/leg wrestling match, while Jim Caldwell wanders aimlessly in the parking lot and Chuck Pagano watches with a lot of EMOTION!
“she isn’t really accepting it as a legitimate reason.”
Are you George Costanza? It’s irrelevant whether or not she “accepts” it. A breakup isn’t a negotiation.
It probably is when you are dumb enough to still be roommates with them.
“unshaven hippies” is redundant.
Wedding guy, it sounds like your kids are old enough to hang out and play video games and watch some movies for a few hours.
Your kids are probably great, but let’s get the prevailing opinion out in the open: fuck your stupid kids.
That really cracked me up. From Drew’s Chopped post to Ape’s Ellroy post to this, you guys have been really bringing your A game. I think I’m going to have to nominate the whole KSK team for the Meast this week.
That’s what the playoffs are all about, Z.
I hope Bannister takes that advice, for damn sure. I was him eight years ago. Eff that noise.
Also, feel better, Uff. At least Hot Toddy’s make daytime drinking socially acceptable when you’re sick.
Agreed, me too (about 12 years ago). All it did, Bannister, was cause me to take much, much longer to get over her because I kept holding out hope we would get back together.
A bartender that worked for me years ago once drank himself sick by drinking nothing but hard cider for about 36 hours. And then he drank himself healthy again by switching to a mixture of Jameson, lemons, and cloves. It was pretty epic.
It is a sad day when someone considers turning down free babysitting so you can get your party on. It’s a fucking wedding with an open bar, food, and all that good shit. It’s so good that they realized having young kids is a pain in the fucking ass and the banned them.
To me, that’s music to my ears.
+1 – kids ruin it for their parents. My wedding was adults only; the one couple that ignored the rule and brought their pre-teens were stuck at the table while the rest of us were dancing, singing, drinking fools. (I am told that much hooking up ensued.)
If they’re old enough to play fucking Little League, they’re old enough to stay with a babysitter for a couple of hours. I’m sure your friend’s parents aren’t the Sanduskys. are they? Then go, have a good time, and leave the oldest kid your cell phone number or a separate phone and call and check in. PROBLEM SOLVED.
The idea of an “Adults Only” wedding has piqued my boner’s curiousity. The sex smell from that reception hall has to be amazingly strong.
And take it from Navy Guy, being gone all the time and then coming home and being a slothy dipshit is a horrible idea. Go figure!
Snappy Matt is the best Matt
Bravo on the last one Uff. Bravo.