This Week In F—k You: Footnotes
06.14.11
We’re now in the dreaded post-draft stretch of the NFL offseason. There’s no football on, and there still won’t be for months, if not longer. You’re hurt. You’re angry. You’re hateful. We understand. At KSK, hating things is what we do best, which is why we have the offseason series, This Week In F–k You. This week: Footnotes.
Billy from Greenwich unleashed his new website on the world last week. And I’m not gonna bash Grantland because A) It’s nice to see ESPN allow a few “assholes” and “fucks” in their articles, B) It’s got some fun things to read, C) It’s not even a week old, and it’s going to need a few months before it turns into the despicable sports version of Slate we all hope it will be, and D) Ripping on the site will immediately cause people to accuse you of being a JELLUSS HATUR. However, checking out the site did remind me of something very important, and that is that I fucking hate footnotes. Or sidenotes. Or whatever the fucknotes. I hate them. Viciously.
When I was in school, I had to do a lot of history papers. And when you did a history paper, the teacher made you source all your quotes using footnotes or endnotes (your choice! Neat!), and made you stick a detailed bibliography in the back. I fucking hated doing this. It was worse than writing the paper itself. But there seemed to be a few kids in every history class who just LOVED amassing a giant bibliography and littering their papers with both endnotes AND footnotes. As if having a comprehensively sourced paper wasn’t enough for them, they had to go out and be all Ms. Overachiever by also throwing in the occasional footnote that let you know about some tangential historical tidbit (“4 – Incidentally, Churchill named the car Florencia, after a young lady he squired around in his formative years.”). They reveled in that shit. I saw pages of papers that had just two inches of main text and the remaining space allotted to fucking footnotes. I wanted to stab these people in the eye with my highlighter.
And that’s what I think about anytime I see some pretentious writer start doling out the fucking footnotes. Listen, asshole. If you think I should read something, just put it in the fucking text. [1] Any time I see a little superscript number above a sentence in the middle of paragraph I want to go find a Labrador and run it over. And any time I see multiple footnote citations in a single paragraph, I wipe my dick across the monitor. [2] And God help you [3] if you do it midsentence. I’m already reading your shit, asshole. Don’t go pissing me off by tossing little miniature bonus reading assignments in there in 8-point font. You are pushing your luck.
Because I know why you’re doing it. You think you’re so clever, so erudite, that you just HAVE to interrupt your story with a little EXTRA story or thought that shows off all the zany things you know. OOH! OOH! OOH, LOOGIT ME! I KNOW OF ONE OTHER FACT THAT ISN’T WHOLLY RELATIVE OT THE TEXT, BUT I’LL JUST DIE IF I DON’T SHARE IT WITH YOU!
Stop bombarding me with your stupid footnotes. It’s like putting a commercial in the middle of an article. And the worst part is… I CAN’T IGNORE THEM. I can’t simply move right past them and get on with my life. No, because I apparently have reading OCD, I feel immediately compelled to stop dead in the middle of the passage and skip down to the bottom. Oh, for more on this I should check out “Elston’s Standard Book Of British Birds”? Okay, thanks for the tip! I’ll do that sometime fucking never. It’s even worse on a web article where you have to scroll down to read the stupid thing before scrolling back up and trying to ascertain where you were (NOTE: Not a problem at Grantland, since they’re at least nice enough to throw them in the sidebar).
Now, I know a lot of people go all batshit for footnotes because David Foster Wallace used them. But there’s only one of that guy, and he’s fucking dead. He was a genius who wrote very long novels I almost certainly won’t ever read and just because you use footnotes and type on a typewriter and write with a fucking bandanna on your head doesn’t make you him. So fuck off and quit pestering me with all your little footnotes. Or at least have the goddamn common courtesy to make them endnotes and jam them at the back of the book, where I can happily ignore them. Because if I see one more oh-so-precious footnote sitting in the middle of something I’m reading, like an arrogant little turd, I will choke a bitch.
[1] Hi! I’m here to distract you! Did you know the Turkish Stingray has over a million stingers housed directly inside its genitals?
[2] See how irritating it is? THE FUCK, MAN?
[3] Or Allah, if that’s your preferred term. HA HA CASUAL WITTY SIDEBARZ!!!


Hate hate hate hate hate
The week I start using footnotes on my blog, and this happens. GREAT.
/gives no percentage of a fuck
//dick joke
///shows self out
Here here!
I’m reading DJW’s Infinite Jest now and the footnotes are driving me nuts, mostly because footnotes don’t work very well on the Kindle.
/someone please tell me this book is actually worth reading
//holy shit it’s long
///that’s what she said
////seriously though, I’m having a hard time getting into this book
Every post I make after this will contain TONS of random footnotes. All of them will just be “Ibid.” That dude’s work is highly underrated.
Strong Work1
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1 Legit Work
@sevechild – worth it absolutely, although you’re right the first 100-150 are sort of confusing and weird and bring up a lot of characters that are hard to keep track of. It gets better and sorts itself out into three main plot strands and a relative handful of major characters. Don Gately is the best.
Also as regards the box at the top, Prince should stop generating footnotes and get back to generating awesome songs about girls diddling themselves.
Endnotes are a million times fucking worse than footnotes. Personally I don’t get that annoyed about a footnote that only makes me scan to the bottom of the page and then back up again. But endnotes can die in a fire. Fuck making me jump to the back and then leaf around to find that shit.
@ pepe – seconded. Even worse is this book I’m reading now – the BBD mentioned “The Devil in the White City.” I thought I have like 50 pages left. Nope, only 20 – there’s a fuckton of endnotes in there, WITHOUT the damn numbers in the actual book referencing what the notes refer to. So, basically just random cites. I actually like footnotes better – especially in this kinda book, where I’m like “how the fuck does this author know what the murdery guy’s thinking?” Some footnotes would help – but fuck him if he thinks I’m going to go through the endnotes now and track back to each part of the book.
Also, law school has alot of foot/endnotes. enough said.
I agree with PepeSilvia. I read a lot of Tim Pat Coogan (don’t ask) and fuck if you’re not turning back to the end notes ten times each page of text in EVERY DAMN BOOK. Fuck that.
Extra hate for Garrison Keillor and his I-write-an-entirely-different-book-in-the-footnotes books, too. And for being Garrison Keillor.
PK thinks Americans don’t read enough footnotes.[1]
1. A footnote is a note placed at the bottom of a page of a book…
Occasionally, I have to proofread footnotes. You probably wouldn’t be amazed at how many people don’t know how to do them. Even though Word has a feature that formats footnotes automatically. How can you put a footnote in a Word document and still fuck it up? People here can do it.
I suppose you also hate the gannett? Simply because they wet their nests?
/hangs self in shame
“Olsen’s Standard Book of British Books” is better, but get the edition without the gannett.
@Gino Tourettsa, you need to hang yourself in shame too–for coming in second in the Nerdlympics. There’s the shame of being a dork, and the shame of not finishing first.
Because I know why you’re doing it. You think you’re so clever, so erudite, that you just HAVE to interrupt your story with a little EXTRA story or thought that shows off all the zany things you know. OOH! OOH! OOH, LOOGIT ME! I KNOW OF ONE OTHER FACT THAT ISN’T WHOLLY RELATIVE OT THE TEXT, BUT I’LL JUST DIE IF I DON’T SHARE IT WITH YOU!
Feel free to blame David Foster Wallace for this whole mess.
This was some great hate. [1]
1. Lofty hate [2]
2. I just footnoted a footnote, bitch.
” (NOTE: Not a problem at Grantland, since they’re at least nice enough to throw them in the sidebar).”
Actually, on an iphone those little shits end up at the bottom.
/If you don’t have an iphone, well, you don’t have an iphone (hassle wherein certain websites load incorrectly or in ways not intended by the original author in order to best by viewed on a tiny screen while sitting on a toilet).
@sevechild: Yeah, it’s worth it. I wish somebody would tell me the same about “Midnight’s Children.”
@ Jude
I can’t read!
Fuckin’ footnotes? How do they work?
This is what I think about your Goddamn footnotes:
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And if you figure that one out, let’s talk about crowd control and infidels.
I salute you, Drew. SALUTE!
Motherfuckers love their words too much. If it’s not important to the message, then I don’t need the banal background, you fuck. If it can’t be squeezed in between an em dash or some fucking parenthesis, then leave it out. Use it to fuel another article.
And yeah, some good writing on Grantland. But also a lot of writing. I like reading, but when does it stop being an exercise in writing 2,000 words and start focusing on actual value. Craggs’ Grantland takedown on Deadspin was glorious.
Feh. Wallace was just an asshole in need of a good editor.
Is it just me or does hipster douche Klosterman sound EXACTLY like Norm McDonald’s Tarantino impression?
You know who has recently pissed me off with his footnotes and endnotes? Dave fucking Eggers. [1]
[1]Fuck that guy. Amirite?
As sevechild already pointed out, footnotes on e-readers are an abomination. Ever read Dracula in print? Awesome. Try it on a Nook? My head exploded after the first chapter. And don’t even bother *trying* to do anything by Shakespeare…
Yeah, you fuckwits, stop using footnotes.*
*Looks around, slowly removes bandana from head.
‘I don’t like the robin.’
I was taught in school that footnotes were only for citing references or sources for whatever you just wrote. They were NOT for adding tangential side stories. Like Harvin Headache says, if you can’t stick it inside a parenthesis or a bracket, you should not include it in the text.
Fuck footnotes and whoever uses them. And while we’re at it, fuck bibliographies at the end of footnoted papers. I already told you ONCE where I got that quote/concept from, I don’t need to do it again!
You’d be better off reading Infinite Jest on paper than on Kindle, because Kindle’s treatment of endnotes is so weak. It’s a digital book! It should be able to knock that one out of the park! but no. plus, if you read it on paper you will have bulging biceps by the time you’re done.
And yes, it’s worth it — give it some time. But if you give it a chance and find you’re slogging through it just to find out what happens, just stop. That book is about enjoying the writing and the details; if you’re not having fun you’re just putting yourself through hell.
There are definitely no footnotes or endnotes in “101 Ways to Start A Fight”, written by an Irish gentleman whose name eludes me.
On MY Kindle, I just move the cursor to the footnote and click the button, read the footnote or endnote and then hit the back button and I’m back to reading.1
Terry Pratchett has the best footnotes in the world in his DiscWorld books. Funnier than his funny books.
1. Yep, I did it.
\sneaks out back door
@Jackin’: So, I spent the 5 seconds required to stick that into google translate, and I’m told it means “Dhaipttjhaklyi Zsrrazbiv”. So, can we talk about infidels now?
I don’t mind footnotes as long as they’re actually interesting and relevant. When I’m reading some books that are a little above my knowledge level, they can add some information that will help me understand what the heck the author is talking about. However, they need to be concise. Some people like writing novels in footnotes, which kind of defeats the purpose; if you need that much extra information to understand what’s going on, it should just be part of the text. Endnotes are just evil, period.
Now, if you excuse me, I need to go find a Turkish Stingray. For purely scientific reasons, of course…
It’s good to see a ESPN allow a few assholes and fucks in their articles rather than behind them.
@savechild – yes it’s worth it but I agree with Mike. That book is about the journey and not the destination.
I hate footnotes with the white-hot intensity of a thousand super massive black holes. Sort of.
No one tell Mike Florio or McStabby but it appears the lockout is now saving lives!
[sports.espn.go.com]
“C) It’s not even a week old, and it’s going to need a few months before it turns into the despicable sports version of Slate we all hope it will be…”
Wait a minute, I thought Deadspin’s hiring of Tom Scocca/retention of Craggs cemented its status as the despicable sports version of Slate…
“Knickerless Knickelby” has some foot fetish but thankfully no footnotes.
/gettin’ light headed
Grantland so far hasn’t been horrible. Simmons’s first few columns were NBA-themed, and if he has a wheelhouse, it’s when he writes the NBA.
And there was a 3 page article about the old National Sports Daily, which really took me back to being in junior high and stealing one from the local liquor store on my walk home. “Grantland” is cutesy and vague…Simmons should have resurrected “The National” as as the theme for the site since he wants to kowtow to the sentimental boobs who vote on Sportswriter of the Year awards and whatnot.
I make it a point to include “A Sale of Two Titties” in all my bibliographies.
@Balls–I get what you’re getting at as far as including possible footnotes within parentheses, but sometimes I really don’t want what I wrote to look like it was actually written by Jean Teasdale. (And yet it usually does.)
/Intentional this time…but not usually
@Maurice Levy, Esq.: Don’t know if you’ve heard the critique that American legal scholarship amounts to a small trickle of exposition flowing through a canyon of footnotes. They do it better in most of the rest of western civilization. But hey, fuck the French anyway.
In re: DFW. I’ve heard his footnote fetish described as a consequence of a mind that simply could not let go of a thought, in other words, a result of his neuroses. Which finally killed him. So if his footnotes are “killing you,” maybe you can rest easy knowing they got him first.
What Simmons, et al. do are not notes, but sidebars.
Notes, foot or end, are usually used to direct the reader to additional source material cited to lend additional authority to the argument presented.
Grantland just uses this notation schtick as a way to shoehorn the author’s tangentially- or non-related random thoughts into the column space without totally disrupting the flow of the column [1].
1. It’s fucking stupid and does not work. At all.
@ Gunner’s – Agreed. It figures that Grantland promotes this type of sidebar since Simmons can’t write one column on any sport that doesn’t involve a reference to a reality show or some other tangential element. If you are going to pepper your writing with tangents, that’s fine, but don’t stick the tangents in fucking footnotes.
@Cunning Linguist – Hey, Jean Teasdale has an audience. So does Simmons. So, as long as your tangents/comments in parenthesis are funny/witty/add to the enjoyment of the reader (like the one in your comment), that’s ok.
/also intentional.
Bill Simmons’s footnotes are far and away the worst footnotes I’ve ever read. He’ll make a joke and then put a footnote of “just kidding” in the sidebar and this makes me want pillage and rape. My general opinion is if your name is not David Foster Wallace, then you shouldn’t be using footnotes. I recognize this is a snobby dickish opinion, so if you are then use them for their original purpose: relaying information that’s too long or doesn’t make sense as a parenthetical. Bill Simmons uses them for sentences which could easily be included within the normal flow of the paragraph.
Also, read Infinite Jest. The first 200 pages or so are maddeningly frustrating and difficult, then the next 700 are awesome. The best I can do to explain it’s appeal is to say that it has the kind of absurdist/surrealist appeal that everyone liked about Lost so much, only it’s brilliant instead of moderately clever.
AND THE PIRATES ARE AT .500 66 GAMES INTO THE SEASON WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/hates self
//F–k you, Yankee fan
Footnotes are nuggets at a distance.
The expurgated version…
/wets nest
//shits pants
///raises foot for high fivefootnote
The footnotes are fine once in a while….that’s it. Grantland has way to many writers doing it like it’s the cool thing to do and it ain’t. Isn’t. Fuck You.
Interesting uh footnote, but how many writers here would kill to write for Grantland? I’m betting both of them. [1]
[1] I’m implying only two of these bums are actual writers. Let me simmons my way out of it and let you guys know i’m joking.
As a history student/erudite asshole; I also hate footnotes.
David Foster Wallace was the only person to get away with using footnotes, although they still come off semi-pretentious. Infinite Jest is one of the best books I have ever read, and I have read every one of R.L. Stine’s Goosebumps.
Someone should tell Dave Eggers he is not DFW.
@Buster Andrade
+1 That made me chuckle, I imagine he must’ve been the greatest ancient Greek philosopher of all time
You nerds are alright.
@On Like Ndamukong – Junot Diaz belongs in the David Foster Wallace All-Stars – a team of authors who write well-executed footnotes. No one denies this.
Here’s a footnote specifically for Brutus Ballsack:
The health care waiver “scandal” you got into a white hot rage about last week? It’s officially bullshit.
[thehill.com]
David Foster Wallace was really, really good, and I think Klosterman admits to copping the footnotes thing from him.
But yeah, footnotes can fuck off. Sidenotes are tolerable, and endnotes are the fucking spawn of Satan.
Someone should tell Dave Eggers he is not DFW.
He thinks he’s an airport? That’s fucked up, man.
@Cock Flashy: +1. I have been found out. Next time I’ll write a message that makes more sense.1
1 As soon as I get the English to terrorist translation right.
As soon as I get the English to terrorist translation right.
Talk to Herman Cain. He says he’s pretty good about reading terrorists and he’s certainly not insane.
The Chicago Manual of Style can fuck off and die, as far as I’m concerned.
Talk to Herman Cain
Yeah, he’s definitely not missing a few screws. It’s too bad since I wanted to walk up to the White House in 2012 and snag me some free pizza from the Godfather.
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TR – Please keep your stupid political comments off of KSK.*
* My point last week was missed by you.**
**Read today’s comment.***
*** It’s a summary of the point you missed last week.****
**** My fault for trying to be clever.
Sorry, Brutus, I didn’t realize only your stupid political comments were allowed here. My bad, dude. Sorry to interrupt your insanity with, you know, facts and shit.
OK, OK I’m insane. Now will you keep your stupid political comments off the site?
jackin:
works in Persian. Not so much in Arabic.
“Peace Hustm Sayeh House Aslim”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As an aside, when you put in your original jibberish, Google translator prompted me to try Persian. Upon clicking on persian, it was still jibberish, but asked me, “Did you mean: ???? ???? ?????????”
I really don’t know if that’s what I mean.
Was anyone else disappointed to see Chris Ryan (Aka Chauncy Bloggups from Freedarko) was a white boy? And possibly the whitest looking guy Grantland has? And thats saying something.
@shootme: My original jibberish was indeed jibberish that I pulled from the Insert Symbols section of MS Word. I should have known I couldn’t slip that past the Kommentariat.
My second post was in Farsi (Persian) so I’m glad to see it actually worked. Didn’t try Arabic, but glad to see it doesn’t translate directly.
“Did you mean: ???? ???? ?????????”
I’m positive that’s not what I meant. HAHA.
@Otto Man
I know what an asshole.
@sevechild
I am on page like 640 something. It is totally worth reading, although god I hate the footnotes, and that is in the paper copy using a 3 bookmark system.
/knocks book out of own hand, gives self wedgie, smashes’ own glasses
@sevechild. I will be the oddball and say no BUT…1) I got to about page 600 and simply stopped. I am not sure where the failing lie: was it that I couldn’t handle his complex narrative that even at page 600 I couldn’t give a plot summary or was it one of the most self-indulgent fucking books I had ever read? Not sure. 2) it’s one of those “new classics” you are supposed to have read, but it’s a lot of work. But wait…I read for entertainment, why should I plod through my entertainment? That’s right, I shouldn’t. 3) I read Star Wars extended universe books (the Darth Bane books are GREAT). 4) I watch WWE. 3 and 4 indicate that my taste in entertainment consumption is not of a “high brow” variety. So taking all of that into account, it’s possible that my assessment of Infinite Jest may not be grounded in deep literary criticism…but that shit was boring as hell. If you like books with footnotes read House of Leaves by Mark Danielewski which is awesome.
Several things:
1). Anyone who is dissing DFW in any way, shape, or form–we’re going to have to fight. I don’t particularly want to, but those are the rules.
2). In “Infinite Jest”, you shouldn’t bitch about footnotes. They were endnotes, because they were notes that were placed at the end of the book. That’s why they’re endnotes.
2a). “Why the fuck not footnotes?” Well, I’ve thought about it, and because one of the endnotes is about three pages long, so it wouldn’t be practical to print.
2a1). As far as I’m concerned, if you win a MacArthur grant, you can footnote the everliving fuck out whatever the fuck you want.
2b). Which doesn’t mean that Garrison Keillor didn’t do it in “Lake Woebegon Days”, in a section that was the finest take-down of “small town values” I’ve ever seen in North American literature since Samuel Clemens died.
2b1). The bit about nailing 95 complaints on the door of the Lutheran Church.
3). Fuck you Eggers and several more “Fuck you”s to McSweeneys, which has empowered a shit-tonne of “clever” writing.
4). Actually, I think it was “Harpers” that got the footnote thing off and running in the last 20-odd years or so. Wallace got his article on the Illinois State Fair published by those guys, and a lot of people squealed with delight, and you’ve got what you’ve got right now.
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WT
Postscript: Why yes, I do own a Mac. How perceptive!
I started out reading the footnotes one at a time when they appeared in the text, then switched to batching them, then ignoring them, then reading the footnotes first and going back into the text. The thing I got out of the book is that french Canadians are tricky bastards and one hitters are a good way to smoke pot. Oh, and people are weird. Of course, I’m insane, so don’t listen to me.
I’m a history major, and I effing LOVE footnotes. Run out of things to say in the paper but you still need like half a page? USE FOOTNOTES TO HELP YOU GET THERE AND LOOK GOOD TO YOUR PROFESSOR AT THE SAME TIME!
Also I hate endnotes, because I have the same annoying compulsion Drew does to read everything and I hate flipping to the back of the book to do it.