I’m beginning to understand why girlfriends don’t like men playing fantasy sports. In all my time writing the mailbag, I’ve never seen so many people write, “No sex question this week, just fantasy.”
Well, while we do occasionally make exceptions for people with only one kind of problem, this is the Internet’s first and — I think — only mailbag that offers both sex and fantasy football advice, so those people get priority. To everyone else with tunnel vision for their fantasy drafts: sorry. Go out there and get herpes, and then we’ll talk.
Closet Baseball Fans,
Fantasy first. I am the commissioner of a league that started as just a little fun last year with 8 people. I invited 4 more people to make it a legit number this year, and I’m getting a whole fucking lot of unsolicited input from these new bastards. They’re acting like certain things are commonplace and that it’s ridiculous that we don’t do them. Among these are 6-point passing TDs and PPR. I caved and compromised with a low-value PPR because I like the idea of a WR or RB getting a little credit for catching a pass. But why do 6-point touchdowns? I think it overvalues the top QBs. Does every league in the world do this? What do you all think about it?
If they didn’t like how the league was set up, they shouldn’t have joined. And what the fuck don’t they understand about compromise?
To answer your question, NO, most leagues do NOT award six points per passing touchdown. Most leagues award four points per pass TD because otherwise quarterbacks become comically overvalued.
As for what I think about it, this seems like the appropriate place to compare fantasy football to sex, so think of your fantasy league’s settings like your sexual habits. One point per ten yards rushing/receiving, six points per TD, one point per 25 yards per point passing, 4 points per passing TD: that’s your standard lineup of satisfying sexual positions and habits that won’t creep women out. PPR is a finger in the butt: pretty normal, but not for everyone. An extra WR position or IDP and whole-integer versus decimal scoring: those are little peccadilloes that people either enjoy or put up with. Joining a league in which teams start two quarterbacks is akin to having a fetish for armpit-fucking: that’s fine if you like it, but people are going to give you weird looks and lose respect for you.
And six points for passing touchdowns? Well, that’s fucking gay. Ten percent of the population like it, but I’m not about to try it.
Sex second. I have a fantastic girlfriend and everything is copacetic. I have absolutely nothing awesome or crazy to tell you. But I do have a question: is it weird to use lube? I don’t think so.
-Der Kommissar
Is it weird to use lube? If you’re baking a cake or taking ballroom dancing lessons, yes. That’s very weird. If you’re talking about sex or masturbation, it’s perfectly normal.
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Dear KSK,
Fantasy Football: For various reasons I’ll omit for brevity, my fantasy football team name for the past 2 years has been “The Undead Army of Chris Henry”. Any chance I can keep the name? In the words of Michael Bolton, “Why should I change when he’s the one who sucks (or in my case, died)?!”
Are you kidding? That name is even better now that Henry’s dead. You came up with a prophetic fantasy team name; that’s something special. I mean, it’s not as good as Truck Surfin’ with Chris Henry, but that wouldn’t have made much sense two years ago. Keep the name.
Relationship: I’ve been happily married for 5 years and have 2 great kids. Having a full time job, obviously I don’t get a ton of time in my daily life that’s not either work or family. As an upcoming vacation I’m planning a manly 3 week hike on the John Muir Trail. I’ll be leaving my wife and children to fend for themselves, with help from both of our extended families.
That sounds pretty fucking great. I haven’t had three straight weeks off in over five years, and that’s because I was unemployed at the time. And they’re not really weeks “off” when most of your meals consist of either ramen or a slice of pizza. Hell, most employed Americans only get two weeks of vacation a year, so I’m not sure how you managed to swing this unless you’re a teacher.
I don’t see this as overly selfish; I think one of the keys to a happy marriage/relationship is still being able to maintain your sense of adventure and still do crazy shit (much less often). My wife isn’t thrilled but is fairly understanding; the issue I have is with other wives in our social circle.
Whenever this trip comes up in a group conversation, there are a couple girls that freak out. They go on about how irresponsible I am, and how they wouldn’t “let” their husband do something like this, even without kids. Are they just trying to make sure their husbands don’t get uppity and follow my example, or do they have a legitimate point? I know it isn’t great to leave your family for 3 weeks for your own vacation, but it’s not like waiting until I’m 50 and the kids are in College is an option for stuff like this.
-Not Whipped
Technically, waiting until 50 is an option; you just have to stay in shape. I mean, I know the environment is going to shit and all, but the John Muir trail will still be around in 15 years.
Like I said, a three-week hike through the Sierra Nevadas sounds terrific — but I have neither a wife nor children. Of all the people I know with spouses and children, none of them would take a three-week vacation away from the rest of the family. One week, sure. Two weeks… probably not. Three weeks is unprecedented in my knowledge of healthy nuclear families.
Of course, just because it’s unprecedented doesn’t mean it’s wrong or bad for your family. It’s not like you’re spending three weeks in Las Vegas or going to a tropical paradise without your wife; you’re doing something that will give you a sense of accomplishment and make you healthier in both body and mind. If your wife is okay with it, then you’re in the clear — just know that she’s way, WAY more relaxed than most mothers of two young children. You, sir, owe her a series of very nice dinners, flowers, and gratuitous cunnilingus.
As for your friends’ wives, well, they need to shut the fuck up. More specifically, they need to be told to shut the fuck up. By you. Here’s the thing: many women — especially married women — get in the habit of shooting their mouths off about other people’s relationships. They’re enabled by husbands who nod their acquiescence at home, because the husbands don’t want to ruin their shot at getting laid that night. So when some bitch is like, “I would never let my husband do that,” you choose from the following:
- “Well, that’s why I married my lovely wife, and not you.”
- “And that’s just ONE of many reasons why my wife is better than you.”
- “…which is why your husband needs three weeks off even more than I do.”
- “Bitch, if I wanted your mouth to be a part of my marriage, I’d use it as a cum receptacle after fucking my wife.”
Go with whatever you feel is most appropriate for the moment.
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Dear Guru:
Sex first. I actually don’t have a question, but a suggestion that is worth posting. For 95% of the people who write in with long sob stories, heartbreaking tales, and other relationshippy problems, they could solve their problems by doing the following: write out your email to KSK, wait five minutes, and re-read what you wrote. For that aforementioned 95%, the answer should be really glaringly obvious, as most of these questions tend to have very clear answers- usually break-the-fuck-up-and-ditch-her or tell her your feelings and prep that six-pack for when you get rejected. But I’d say for those readers who have more naked, gun-toting, rabid Asian stories, keep ‘em coming. I want real drama, KSKers.
I disagree completely. A lot of the time, people ask advice to validate what they think is the right answer. Sleeping on a decision or re-reading the layout of one’s conundrum isn’t as fortifying as getting confirmation from a disinterested party. We can’t expect ”real drama” from people any sooner than we can expect women with college degrees to moonlight as strippers and get turned on by guys with self-deprecating senses of humor. We can stamp our feet and be upset about it, but complaining won’t change the reality of the situation.
Oh, and don’t think that I didn’t notice YOU didn’t have an interesting problem to write about, Mr. Kettlepot.
FF next. Despite having spent much time reading this mailbag and all kinds of NFL analysis, this is my first year in a league. Being a Bills fan, there’s no amount of homerism that can persaude me to actually draft players from their roster, with the exception of Fred Jackson. What round is too early to take him? No reliable QB, and what I would expect to be limited production from Lynch and CJ Spiller make me think he’s not a half bad round six, perhaps?
Yours in Ralph Wilson’s Wrinkles,
Barffalo
Assuming you have a 12-team league, and depending on how the draft shakes out — you never know when someone is gonna start the run on tight ends — I’d say you could justifiably defend picking Jackson in the fifth round. But I recommend against choosing fantasy players from your favorite team. Especially when your favorite team is as shitty as the Bills. The anger and disappointment on the bad days far outweighs the delight of the good games.
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To the Advisors of Fantasy Pigskin and Real-life Foreskin,
Fantasy First: I’m in a keeper league with 1/2-point per reception. Should I hang on to Brandon Marshall? It would only cost me a 3rd round pick but I really don’t if Chad Henne is going to be the second coming of Dan Marino or Cleo Lemon.
I haven’t seen the rest of your lineup, but I think that sounds reasonable. Marshall caught truckloads of passes with Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton under center, and those guys aren’t exactly the next Brady and Manning.
Sex: (I’ll keep this is as concise as possible) I dated this girl for 3 years. Sex wasn’t bad but it was kind of boring – no oral, no anal – nothing outside the standard s-e-x. We broke up back in late 2008 and really didn’t stay in touch. Recently, we’ve been around each other due to some mutual friends and we got together at a recent party. We had a few drinks and decided that it would be a good idea to have a little fun for old times sake. As I stated earlier, this girl was not a fan of anything outside the ordinary when we dated. The new and improved ex-girlfriend was down for anything/everything…oral, anal, titty-fucking (this had been a life-long dream that I finally have now realized) you name it. It was great and we kind of left it open for future “fun sessions” with no strings attached but I’m a little freaked out by her sudden change in sexuality. Back when we dated she was not open to anything no matter how hard I tried. As much as I enjoy her newly lowered inhibitions, I can’t help but wonder what (or who) came along and brought about this newfound freak. Should I stop thinking
Yes.
and just enjoy the new her or beat myself up (mentally) for failing to bring this side out of her back when we dated?
- No Longer a Boob-Humping Virgin
Tell me something. Did you have any sexual partners between your 2008 breakup and your recent hook-up? Did you do things with those partners that you didn’t do with her? The answer to both questions is “yes,” correct? Then why would you assume anything different of her?
Besides, a woman’s comfort level with different sex acts and positions can change for any number of reasons. Maybe she got a vibrator. Maybe she has a freaky friend who convinced her to try new things. Maybe therapy helped her past a mental block. Maybe she’s been reading this mailbag. It’s impossible to say — except in your case, because she obviously spent a lot of time fucking someone with a big dick who was WAY better-looking than you are. Man, you sure have a small penis.
(Just enjoy the sex, dummy.)
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CC,
FF- My friends decided this year due to other scheduling (most of us in more than this league) we needed to have our draft ass early. I minimally bitched and got lucky enough to pick up 3 top backs with my first picks. There were really decent wideouts still available so I found myself in the dreaded middle of the pack QB selection. I snagged up Kolb, and felt like I took a huge gamble. After the first pre-season (yeah I know its ONLY preseason) and seeing him vs.Vick perform, what is your take on his ability to put up decent numbers? I was able to catch him in a later round so I don’t feel committed to him as my starter, and wonder the value of trade bait over taking a chance on him and watching him bomb. Your take?
My take is that you shouldn’t be taking running backs with your first three picks. That said, I think Kolb is likely to have a pretty good year. Although if you don’t have a real starting QB, I don’t know who the hell you’re going to trade him for. Why not trade one of your three RBs for a starting QB, then see if Kolb blossoms into a quality starter and becomes trade bait when someone’s quarterback goes down. Someone’s quarterback ALWAYS goes down.
Sex-I am 21 and had been on a little break from dating due to a bad break up with a girl we shall call “slutface bitch”. Have really only had a few sporadic hookups the last year and have met no girls I thought had real dating-relationship potential. Recently out with some co-workers who are all older than me (24-25) and met a girl chatted her up, had a few drinks and things seemed to be going really well. Was digging this girl but she had to leave. I gave her my number and she seemed to think we would “most definitely” see each other again, and even texted me later that night to give me her number. I assumed she was co-workers age since she was a mutual friend of one of them, but in talking to him she is older (32). I have no problem with this as she looks 23 and is hot. I was lucky to graduate, fall into a decent job and think I look older than what I am. So, my question is when or how or do I even have to tell her how young I am, and how likely is this to be a dealbreaker for her? Chicks seem much more sensitive to the age difference thing in my opinion.
Thanks,
Like a Boss
Well, I don’t think she’ll find it attractive if you go out of your way to hide your age, but it’s not exactly the card you want to lead with, either. If you can finagle a date with her, wear some of your more “grown up” clothes and take her someplace relatively upscale. I’m not saying buy her an expensive steak dinner, just go to a nicer bar/lounge that doesn’t, say, serve pitchers or have a beer pong table in the back. You want to present yourself as mature for your age, even before she knows how old you are (assuming, of course, she hasn’t found out already).
Play dumb about knowing how old she is, but ask leading questions like “How long have you worked at X?” or “How long have you lived in the city?” You’ll find that her history is a little bit longer than “I just graduated and started working.”
Eventually, both of your ages will come out. You need to do two things: (1) Express disbelief at her age without making her feel like 32 is old. “You honestly don’t look a day older than 23″ is perfectly sufficient; a remark like “My God! How have you staved off the ravages of time?!?” isn’t the most complimentary tack. And (2), don’t be sheepish about your youth. She might say things like “Oh my God you’re so YOUNG!” or “I feel like a cradle-robber!” You need to deflate that exclamation without being defensive or cocky. Say: “Well, I can’t do anything to make myself older, but until that time comes, I have a good job, my own apartment, and I’m not addicted to video games. I’d say that gives me a leg up on at least a couple guys in their 30s.”
It will help if you’re not addicted to video games.
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Gentlemen,
No sex question this week – strictly fantasy and our league needs your advice!
In the past – we’ve always had a 14 team league will all of our friends from school. Yes, it made for some watered down rosters and yes in the later rounds of the draft we were really reaching for players. But it was fun, provided lots of great opportunities for trash talk and was a good way to connect our group of friends as we scattered all across the country after graduation.
Sadly, the recession has taken its toll on our league and forced one of our players to drop out due to some financial constraints. This leaves us with an odd number of players. We’re pretty sure the ESPN systems won’t let us award a team a Bye Week and we don’t want to do that anyway since each week we play for a side prize. It’s typically 20 bucks to the GM of the player who had the most rushing yards that week or whatever.
How best should we resolve this? My suggestion was to create a team for the vacated player – draft players who were on IR and terrible defenses and simply not start anyone each week. Thus effectively awarding each team 1 victory/season against the “ghost team” It’s been getting a lukewarm response.
-Charlie
What the fuck? Who are these people who bitch about every little detail of a fantasy league? “Wah, I don’t want the opportunity to draft better players and get an automatic victory.” Let the people who are “lukewarm” to the idea get off their asses and find a replacement for the guy that left.
Also, you know what wrinkle I’d add to the ghost team? Don’t keep everyone on the bench. Start an entire, shitty team every week. Anyone who gets beat by the ghost team is subject to ridicule or some cash- or booze-related penalty.
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Caveman -
Re: football: As a Hawks fan, how much do you miss the old AFC west? For me, the rivalries against St. Louis and Arizona completely suck compared to games against the Broncos and Raiders (or sometimes even Chiefs and Chargers). Maybe in another decade I’ll feel differently, but that seems unlikely right now.
I don’t miss the AFC West at all, because the AFC West generally kicked the Seahawks’ ass. It’s like people who complain about the blue-on-blue uniforms with “rave green” piping. The old uniforms may have looked better, but the Seahawks won four straight division titles in the new ones. And much of that is because they play in the NFC West. A shitty division? Absolutely. And I don’t care.
Besides, I hate the Rams plenty.
Re: sex/relationships: I’m going to propose to my girlfriend, but I have trepidations about then asking her to sign a pre-nup. Thanks to some real shit luck and shit for genes, both my parents and sister are deceased and I inherited a decent amount of money.
Are you Dave Eggers? I really loved What Is The What.
I live a very low-frills lifestyle which belies my net worth, though I assume my GF suspects I have something because of my orphan-hood.
Obviously, if we get married I’m going to have to tell her at some point in detail about the money, but I don’t want to tell her after proposing, because that seems crass, and I don’t want to tell her before, because that might influence her decision. I love her and trust her almost completely, but want to protect myself in case ours falls in the 50% of marriages that fail. How do people ask for these things?
I don’t travel in social circles with friends that have problems or dilemmas like this. None of my friends know, either, about my inheritance – and I’m going to keep it that way. Also, I feel really awkward talking about money that I didn’t earn, as you can probably guess from someone who anonymously seeks the advice of an internet columnist. My only experience with someone finding out is a now ex-GF that I was dating when my Dad passed who put 2+2 together and started talking about marriage a week after the funeral.
I’ve dealt with a lot of shit in my 30 years, but I’m ready to move on and build a new life with her. Any thoughts on how to approach this?
Oakland Raiders Perpetually Have Anal Necrophilia
That’s a tough one, ORPHAN (I appreciate the Savage Love-esque signature). I think your desire for a pre-nup is perfectly reasonable, and your level-headed approach is admirable. Unfortunately, I’m a never-married man forever consigned to a middle-class existence, so I don’t have much insight into this situation.
The good news, however, is that the KSK comments section is riddled with people who have made terrible life decisions. I’m certain that one or two of them will have good advice for you. I can offer nothing more than condolences on the loss of your loved ones.
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Hey gents,
I wrote in long ago about being propositioned by a Muslim girl; thanks again for your insight.
So what happened? Did you work-a the burqa?
Fantasy: my league is trying to add some new wrinkles this season, chiefly among them the flex position. I play for fun, so I’m not as well-versed in fantasy strategy as some of my friends in the league. Rather than ask for a full encyclopedia on the flex, my question is: at what point do you draft the player you intend to play at the position?
Don’t think about it in terms of round. Just go about your draft picking the best available talent relative to your need. Ideally, your first five rounds net you a QB, 2 WRs, and 2 RBs, but don’t feel married to that — with a flex position, you can pick up a third RB or WR in the first five rounds without worrying too much about talent spread.
Rather than focus on which round you’ll get your flex player, think about how many rounds can contribute to your pool of flex position talent. I always prefer young, high-upside guy WRs and RBs to picking up a second tight end or reaching for a defense.
Sex: not strictly sex, just socializing. I’m moving to Los Angeles in a month, and I don’t have any friends in the area. I know your staples for meeting new people–cooking classes, etc–and I intend to employ them, but I can’t help but think there’s a particular difficulty in ingratiating oneself into a new community without any platonic friends to fall back on. Any experience or advice in doing so?
Thanks,
Nick
I’ve got some experience there — I think I knew three people in New York City when I moved here, and one of them was an ex-girlfriend. Not exactly the biggest network to work with. I ended up playing poker with mixed company every Friday through my former college roommate. I moved into an apartment with a random MFA student over Craigslist. I met a couple people through random shitty jobs. Everyone introduced me to new people, and all those people became part of my growing network. And that was six years ago — well before everyone on the damn planet was on Facebook.
Since you’re a sports fan, find a bar that caters to your favorite team. I Googled “New York Seahawks bar,” and this is the first entry that came up. Pretty handy. Even better, if you have a favorite college team, search out a bar where fellow alumni gather — you’re more likely to have common experiences to share, or even bump into people you know.



First of all, wow. Thanks to all who replied with their thoughts regarding my situation. I didn’t expect quite so many comments to this, since I doubted many people would relate to or be interested in it.
The consensus here seems to confirm my first inclination of telling her about the money before a proposal since I’ve been keeping my finances a secret from her (honesty and transparency equaling virtue and trust). Plus, it will be nice to get rid of this mental baggage that I’ve been hiding from her. I’ll just sack up and tell her about it, probably tonight. By the career she’s chosen, I think she isn’t motivated much by money – which is one the many things I find her attractive for. I’m not sure how I’ll start the conversation, but it probably won’t be “There’s a secret I’ve been hiding from you: .”
Hopefully she won’t get angry about it and can keep it quiet from her friends – whom I’m confident would tell others, including my friends. She’s been very accepting of me not having much family for her to meet- unlike others I’ve dated who discarded me like a leper – and I’m optimistic she’ll be cool with it.
Though I’ve now discovered I do live in a state where property brought into a marriage is protected, I’ll definitely get a prenup because I still have more assets in my father’s estate to inherit/re-title (because of bank rules and shitty interest rates).
Then again, if she flips out about the shitty old car I drive, etc., or refuses the prenup, it’ll be a clear sign to move on. Fingers crossed that doesn’t have to happen.
Thanks again.
(@Werbb – I grew up as a de facto only child, losing sis when I was very young. Sorry you lost your folks so early. I at least had my mom until I was 22. It sucks horribly, but try to resist the bitterness that’s so nearby.)
Oh, and Caveman:
+1 for the pic of Diane Lane with her hand down her pants!
ORPHAN:
My wife of 16 yrs is pretty well off. When we were dating, I sensed that she must have a bit of money somewhere as she had a “nothing” job but lived comfortably (though absolutely not ostentatious). In any case, she didn’t tell me the extent of it until after we were married (because she didn’t want money to taint love), and my reaction was very posittive. Not “cha-ching” but more like “that just made our future a lot easier”. And I’m no financial slacker – I’ve made money off high salaries and IPOs and such, so it wasn’t like some poor guy latching onto a rich chick. In short, Ihad and have no problem with her holding back that info.
Regarding a prenup, she didn’t ask for one, but if she had I would have been “hurt”. Maybe not enough to cxl the wedding, but I would have taken it as her not being 100% sure about marrying me, and I think it would have affected our relationship to this day. And you betta know a potential spouse: if we were to get divorced (which will neer happen), I’d not go after her money. I might seek a smaller amount of child support, but it was hers before so it should be hers after. But that’s just me, and I’m not some broke-ass gold digger.
I say: If you can’t trust her enough to get married w/o a prenup, you shouldn’t marry her.
Also, Call girl above – STFU. Your whore logic doesn’t make sense, and you don’t have strong reading comprehension skills.
Also, I’ll bet $$$ that you are one of the wives telling other wives how they should handle their marriage.
ORPHAN – premarital assets can depend on the state, particularly in regard to an inheritance. However, alimony can be based upon your worth, and “the lifestyle which you two lead as a couple”. People forget about that shit.
Get a prenup. Talk to a trusted attorney who works in that area asap. I would suggest going to the attorney who handled your father’s estate and asking for a referral – so long as you liked that attorney. Knowing your situation already, he will be able to give you a good referral, and likely, he is someone who practices in that area of the law because he gives a shit about people, and protecting their interests.
Do this sooner, and not later. Also, a good family lawyer may, who has experience in prenup situations and divorces, may have some good advice as to how to bring up the conversation with your fiance. good luck.
Pre-nup guy,
Like everyone else said, talk to a lawyer before you do anything else. Maybe he’ll have ideas on how to bring up the topic with her. I get the need to protect yourself and your assets but…
Dude, seriously. If you think she’s likely to turn into a money-grubbing whore, why on earth are you considering proposing? Like butshelooked18officer pointed out, marriage is about more than money. If you have so little faith in her, why are you trusting her with the rest of your life?
Talk to a lawyer anyway, despite my advice. However, if she flips you the bird and walks out, it’s not necessarily because she’s a money grubbing whore. It’d be a deal breaker for me personally because there is no way in hell I would consider spending my life with a guy who thinks so little of me.
Fortunately, since I’m married, it’ll never come up, as we both had nothing when we married and we have equal (if mine’s not greater) earning potential.
But really, if you think she’s the type to take you for everything you’re worth…why again are you considering proposing?
All you people arguing against 6pt TDs because it will result in most of the top overall scorers being QBs aren’t thinking clearly. Unless you can flex a QB, it does not matter how many points Aaron Rodger scores compared to Adrian Peterson, because you can’t start Rodgers in place of Peterson. What matters is what expected advantage Rodgers gives you over other QBs. An exaggerated illustration: If Rodgers scores 3000 points but all other QBs score 2950-2990 points, and Peterson scores 300 points while all other RBs score 150-200 points, Peterson is still more valuable because he gives you at least a 100 point advantage over all other RBs, whereas Rodgers gives you a 10-50 point advantage over all other QBs. Absolute points do not matter, only relative advantage over players that can be started at that same position (or flex).
6pt TDs do slightly increase the value of top QBs over other QBs, but this effect works out to be quite minimal.
Hippie! Intoxicated hippie! Happy now…hippie?
@Orphan: Your post generated a great buzz but I think the advice in the commenter thread is missing another friendly point I’d like to add: If you truly love this woman and she loves you back equally then money will never be an object. Ever. Even if the jaded legal-minded posters out there say otherwise.
Let me ask this: If you are ready to propose, do you understand what vows you will create?
If so then you know what will happen if she gets sick. You will do anything for her. What if you get sick? What if it isn’t that serious? What if you decide on a different career? Or a different outlook on life?
I’m not trying to preach–my fantasy team hasn’t done shit in 5 out of 6 years so I can’t predict the future. But I do know I have a great wife, a great relationship, a great job, money in the bank and I never considered a pre-nup.
Call me a hippie, I guess.
@Orphan:
Generally an inheritance isn’t divisible in a divorce, even if you inherit it *after* getting married. It’s the textbook definition of separate property.
Varies from state to state. And if you take that money and say, buy a house, then make your mortgage payments with regular earned income, suddenly you’ve commingled your separate property with marital property, and it’s divisible.
In other words- take your inheritance and keep it separate. Put it in the market, put it towards retirement, but keep the accounts SEPARATE.
See an attorney about getting a prenup (and getting wills drawn up). I generally recommend prenups for various reasons, even to couples with no assets – it has to do with marital debts for the most part. If you opt out of community property, then if one spouse passes away from cancer after racking up a million dollars in health care bills, the other spouse won’t be liable on those debts. (it’s arguable if they’d be liable if they hadn’t had a prenup, but without community there’s really no chance of it.)
Tl;dr – see a lawyer about prenups before marriage and wills after. Wills are also important because you want to explicitly state who takes care of your kids if you both kick it, and you probably want to put your kids inheritance into a trust so they don’t get a lump of money when they turn 18.
Ummm… “Chris Henry’s Tailgate Party”?
You’re welcome.
ORPHAN: My husband is 10 years older than I am, and as such had accumulated more assets than I. We had both previously been married and divorced and knew firsthand what a pain in the ass it is. Somewhere between the proposal and the wedding I offered to have a pre-nup drawn up for us so I could sign it. I didn’t look at it as cynical, just practical. Plus, I wanted to allay any fears he had of the possibility of me being that gold-digger type person and to show that I respected the idea that there were some things that were HIS that did not also have to be MINE.
He waved it off. Sucker! Mwahahahahahaha!
I am an attorney who made some scratch before I was married (in CA). I made it very clear that we would not be married without a pre-nup even if I made that money before marriage. Don’t buy this shit about “trust” and “greed”. She is marrying you for you, not for your family’s money.
Its very easy for non-communal assets to convert to communal if you are not careful. You do need an attorney for this.
“Which is, of course, why we miss you.”
+1000 Otto, I really do miss penciling in two very probable victories on the Chief schedule every year.
I love your suggestion Uff of starting a team of untaken scrubs as opposed to using a bye, especially the massive humiliation and mandatory booze buying for anyone pathetic enough to fall to it. If anyone here has ever read DJ Gallo’s awesome “Horrible Fantasy Team that crushed your team this week,” you know that any given week a full team worth of unknown rookies, wash-ups and long-time shit players with one-game freak performance can collectively put up uncanny fantasy numbers. The potential for legendary shame and trash take is quite high. Hell I suddenly wish my league had an odd number of teams so we could implement this rule.
@ITouchDownThere
Thats a fine sense of humor you have there. Daddy issues aside, thats very clever and cool. Good luck in Fantasy this year. First year im in a big money leage… As a Braves fan, enjoy having Jeff Francour next year!
Signed,
Fingers crossed
Note on above:
Not all women are evil. There are at least as many lying, cheating, evil men as there are women. Beautiful, feeling, ethical people do exist, but they are the exception rather than the rule.
If not, she’ll accuse you of “having problems” for not telling her rich to begin with*.
*This is a bullshit argument from man-hating, misandric feminists who would’ve only robbed and hen-pecked you into mass-murder anyway.
If she loves YOU, the money never needs to be an issue. If she refuses to allay your fears about a simple issue like money how will she handle your other human imperfections? It’s assumed that you would be happy to sign her pre-nup too- but THAT wouldn’t be right! Only MEN are subject to highway robbery in a divorce; poor, helpless, victimized women should never have to surrender the “frreedom(spelled M-
O-N-E-Y)”.
Anyone who truly loves another person would never be offended by fulfilling his or her love’s needs AND desires, be they sexual, financial, emotional et al.
Period.
@ Electric Dream Machine
It has been my fantasy name for 2 years now, the first year I wrote it on the draft board, league busted up laughing, but this year it was a tough decision between keeping it alive or switching up to “AlCroTraz Baby Momma”
Dude going on the 3 week vacation: your wife is cheating on you. No other explanation for your wife agreeing to this.
6 pts for a passing is what my leagues have always used, and we’ve been doing it that way since we did scoring via the newspaper the next morning. (Yes, FF existed before the internets, kids). A touchdown is a touchdown.
ORPHAN:
I agree with the people who say you should be upfront about money stuff. You honestly should know all that stuff about each other before you propose marriage. Such a large detail about your life is a sign that perhaps you don’t know each other as well as one should when proposing marriage. The decision she has about whether to say yes or not should be one that can’t be influenced merely by the existence or non-existence of some money.
That said, you may want to consult a lawyer about whether a prenup is actually necessary to protect your inheritance assets. I say this because property you had prior to marriage is often not divided at divorce, , depending on the divorce law of the state and the circumstances of the parties. There are two general types of divorce laws, so called “Community Property” states, such as California and mostly Western states, and “Common Law” or “equitable distribution” states, which is the rest. Community Property states generally inherited the system from Mexico, which had the Spanish Civil code as its system of law. Anyway, in a community property state, all property is divided into two categories: separate property and community property. All property acquired during the marriage is called community property, which is split evenly between the spouses. “Separate property” generally includes property that a spouse brings to the marriage, such as your inheritance, as well as property inherited or received by a gift during the marriage by only one spouse. Upon divorce, each spouse keeps their separate property, while the community property is split evenly. I’m not positive, but I believe in California its mandated that the community property be split 50-50. Note that separate property of the spouse that gains value during the time of the marriage is still separate property if the gain is due to passive appreciation rather than active appreciation. What that means is if you have an inheritance and invest it in stocks, the higher value of the stocks will still be separate property upon divorce. But if you invest your money in a small business which you manage and spend all your time at during the marriage, upon divorce, the appreciation of the value of the small business will be considered marital property and split evenly.
Contrast that with a common law state, where a court can decide to split property unevenly to compensate one spouse for whatever reason (adultery by the other party, one spouse engaged in non-income housework and won’t be able to get a high paying job, etc). But even in a common law state, separate property is still given only to the original owner spouse (usually-I know the law of only 1 state on this, so get a lawyer and check!).
Anyway, your worries about your inheritance may very well be misplaced, especially if your in a community property state. I would do two things if I were you: I would be open and honest about this with your girlfriend before you propose marriage. Money is an important aspect of a shared life with someone, whether you like it or not, and being honest about these things is very important. Second, given your worries about a prenup, go pay $300 for a few hours of consulting with a divorce lawyer to find out what happens to your inheritance if you get divorced in 5, 10, 30 years or whatever and decide if you want and need a prenup. Such advice is worth it.
Marriages are not contracts, they are just treated as such under state laws. I appreciate a good analytical look at things, but by taking out the emotional and physical aspects of the relationship you are ignoring the reason why people marry in the first place.
ORPHAN, if you don’t trust and love your GF enough to be upfront about an ongoing issue – even as it relates to past events out of your control – then you have the problem, not her.
If you don’t know her well enough to know how she would respond to finding out about your cache of cash, then you shouldn’t be contemplating marriage with her either.
Make good decisions – your life is the consequences of them. No pre-nup is going to bail you out of the emotional wreckage that comes from a divorce – not everything can be boiled down to joint-marital assets and split up evenly. You WILL assign emotional value to things that cost $3 and end up not able to give a shit about stuff that was expensive when it’s time to divide up the stuff. That $50 lab-poodle-boxer mix will be invaluable… the $2,000 42″ TV can be replaced.
If you’re near the engagement phase of your relationship and haven’t told her about your money, and are thinking about telling her after you have perpetuated emotional fraud against this woman by not being honest with her.
Get a pre-nup. Money has a habit of commingling during a marriage, especially if you have kids. Foolish short-sighted women like “S” are the perfect example of why you need a pre-nup. It is more than insurance and avoiding gold-digging women. Marriage is a contract and every good contract should have remedies and expectations clearly spelled out.
P.S. That pic of Diane Lane IS hot…you just have to think about it in context…she was doing it in front of Olivier Martinez in the midst of their hot, hot, hot affair.
/watched Unfaithful a couple weeks ago…again
Pre-nup never a bad idea. Also there is never going to be a time where its not awkward to bring it up to your future spouse.
I the past, when QB’s threw 4pt TD’s they also only got tacked -1 for an INT. IN my current friends league they get 6pts for TD’s but are hit with a -3 for an INT, plus sacks count -1 directly against their stats. Those two changes allowed for TDs to be constantly 6pts across the board. And it didn’t overvalue the QB’s. RBs have dominated the league even when I had Culpepper’s last great year in MIN.
Hey, I just want to say that I guess it’s not a concern since my husband wasn’t from a wealthy family or had a lot of money coming into our marriage, but regardless of money, I’d never sign a prenup. I get the whole “I need to protect myself” philosophy, and I think if you’re already taking insurance out on the end of the marriage before even getting married, why do it in the first place? Just live together instead or whatever.
I just want to say that not signing a prenup isn’t always about the money (nor is it only gold-digging whorebags who refuse; I make a goddamn plenty of my own money, thanks). I just don’t believe in them, for me. I am too foolish and in love to feel like planning for an eventual divorce prior to getting married is a good way to start off said marriage.
That being said, I would be even MORE pissed if I was dating a guy who was cool, low-key, had a lifestyle I was cool with and we were all happily romantically entwined, enough for him to want to marry me, and then he comes out with “oh by the way I have all this money but I don’t trust you enough to even tell you since I am worried that you are a golddigging whore.” I think you should probably tell her what the story is, then ask her for a prenup. Me, I’d be too pissed at you for not trusting me and I would refuse to sign a prenup on principle, so we would break up, but you’re not dating me, so who gives a fuck?
Hmmm… And apparently drinking before 10 am will make you mistype things. Well, live and learb.
Pre-Bup Guy:
As noted above, your inheritance may be untouchable in divorce anyway, depending on your state’s laws. Check it out. As for telling her about the money – do it after she makes up her mind. Either
1. She says yes, and you say “okay, I’m so glad… and there’s also something I feel like I need to tell you about. I didn’t want to make it sound like I was trying to use it to influence your decision, but it’s good news. I have assloads of money, and we never need to worry. I can’t wait for us to share our stress-free amazing lives together!”
2. She says now, and you say “wow. Well, I’m glad you’re being honest with me. I’m just glad you didn’t let my Brewster’s Millions influence your decision – I respect that you’re really looking for something that you just haven’t found yet. Wait, what? What do you mean, you didn’t know I’m rich? I’m sure we talked about that. At your birthday last year, right? Was that someone else?”
@Hiking Dude
I’ve got the same trip planned out in a few years. Just don’t make it an annual event to vacation away from the family. Plus get your kids (and wife too) into hiking so you can do some serous hike-in and trail camping with the kids as they get older. My oldest is 8 now and we’ve done small hike-in trips and its an awesome experience with your kid.
A couple of my co-workers just did a 24 day motorcycle tour from San Diego to Whitehorse, YK and back. Both are married but its one of those once in a lifetime trips you have to jump on.
Just appreciate your wife for being cool with it and make sure she has the option to do something equally as awesome, even if it means your next year vacation is spent in charge of the kids.
@Prenup-
I had a similar enough situation to yours. I never touched the money and lived as though it wasn’t there. As you know it is an awkward position to be in, albeit not a bad position. I’m now happily married with prenup and no issues surrounding it.
Most of the prior advice is spot on. Here are a few points:
1. I’d definitely tell her about the money situation before the proposal. I wouldn’t suggest you show her the actual figures, but just explain to her the overall situation and how it is a part of your life. Kind of a “this is just something I need to tell you because I want to be totally honest with you” thing. You will divulge the numbers later. She should have no interest in the actual number.
2. You likely have no contacts to find a lawyer. I had a lawyer in another state who didn’t know anybody in my state. He suggested using someone affiliated with http://www.actec.org/. That is how I found my estate guy.
3. Your wife to be will need her own attorney. Your attorney will explain this. If your attorney does not suggest this from the start, find a new attorney.
4. Don’t put off the meetings with the attorney’s for too long. Trying to do it 1 week before the wedding is not smart. There can be some back and forth between the attorneys on the exact terms.
5. Disclose everything. Full disclosure of assets is vital to having a legit prenup. A good lawyer will ensure this.
6. You will likely have to deal with the issue of your ongoing privacy concerning these assets. Women like to tell their mom’s everything and sometimes their girlfriends too. You will probably need to be explicit in how your want this information kept.
Finally, you will feel much better once you are more open in your relationship. It will take some time for her to digest the gravity of the situation. If you don’t give her actual figures but tell her about the situation, there will likely be a period of time her imagination will run wild (could it be $100k or 100m?). After a few weeks of that she should settle on not giving a shit about it. I’d be a little leery if she really wants to know the number. My wife didn’t want to know.
@3weeks-
Those other wives are just proof that you’ve chosen wisely. There is nothing worse than a self-hating bitch of another man’s wife…unless it is yours.
@cradlerobbed
I wouldn’t think about it much, but you have to realize that a significant majority of 32 yr old women are hitting that baby itch pretty hard. You are either hitting the jackpot with an older women who just wants to have fun and knows precisely how to have it or there will be a mismatch of intentions pretty quick.
@ (not so) Fat Hump and all the other girls that have chimed in, thanks. Have secured a date for tonight and asked her to go somewhere nice for dinner.
Gonna go all adolescent on ksk comments, but how hot is it there is a female reader with ITouchDownThere screen name? Gives men hope ya know… Kudos to you ma’am. Kudos indeed.
Uff, did you get matched up with Vince randomly on craigslist? If so, was it in the casual encounters or the missed connections section?
I believe they met in the Eminem fan section of Craigslist.
The website uses those little internet abbreviations, though, so technically the section where they posted the ads is called “M2M.”
@Like a Boss – I am currently in the same situation as you (but I’m the older woman). I’m pretty sure my guy doesn’t know my age, although he does know I am several years older than him (I’m only a couple weeks into my situation). My attraction to a much younger man: I’m not looking to get married or have kids anytime in the near, or distant, future. All I want is someone cute and fun to spoil and fuck. There is very little difference between being 21 and 25 (in my opinion) – no major life events happen, you don’t really mature a lot, finances don’t magically come together, etc. so I highly doubt she would care that you are younger than she probably thinks you are. And the advice you got is actually the plan I am employing: I haven’t lied about my age or withheld events in my life, but I haven’t made an issue out of the age difference (working very well so far).
Perfect for my next non-conversation with her un-happily married sister with plenty of marriage advice-
“Bitch, if I wanted your mouth to be a part of my marriage, I’d use it as a cum receptacle after fucking my wife, your sister.”
Thank you
+100 or whatever.
@Not whipped: That is a fantastic trip! You do indeed have a lovely wife who is willing to let you go. If you don’t take this trip now, honestly? you probably never will. The circumstances are perfect. The stars are aligned. Hike that motherfucker. Just wait until you get to Kearsarge Pass. Beware of snow and/or lightning storms. It will be a lot easier now before you retire. Tell her little sewing circle friends to buy vibrators. And Lube.
@Lube dude: Lube is OK. My fantasy football team name is “Dry Peckers”. It won the John Marston Memorial best fucking fantasy team name in our league.
@23 year old guy. You are both at the absolute prime of your sexuality. Fuck like rabid weasels. Enjoy. Keep a pair of jeans and a pair of shoes next to the bed in case you have to leave via bedroom window or something. Just in case she bought a .44 magnum for her ex for Christmas last year and they are not “technically” divorced yet.
Not that I have a point of reference or anything.
@Nick: L.A. is ….
I moved here in 1993 and they will bury my stinking bones here. Meeting women is directly proportional to the amount of money/vehicle you drive. I love my town and wish I could say different but it’s true. Some of the previous comments mentioned finding like interests and that is a good place to start. I love music and go to concerts and if you meet a cool girl who is attending a concert of one of your favorite bands then that’s a good place to start. One common interest taken care of. That’s not why we live here. It reached a yearly high of 82 where I live today. I had to open both sliding glass doors for the first time since last August. In the 17 years I have lived here I have never owned a heater and I have never owned an air-conditioner. It gets as cold as 50 in the winter time.
I love this town.
/puts socks on cold feet
Uff, did you get matched up with Vince randomly on craigslist? If so, was it in the casual encounters or the missed connections section?
Also, The Film Varsity Blues Foreshadowed The Rise Of The Spread Offense, best screen name I’ve seen.
Would just like to add-
I run a league with 4 pts per TD for passing/rushing/receiving TD’s. 11 of our 12 top players last year were QB’s.
If anything it should be reduced slightly; 6 pts per passing TD is offensive. I don’t want to have the #11 overall pick and have to decide on Flacco in the first, or hope that Elisha is still around when it comes back to me in the 2nd. Good God.
FAR more than 10% of fantasy leagues make passing TDs worth six points, especially since that’s the Yahoo default, and Yahoo’s far and away the largest fantasy football provider, and so on. I know the “10%” was just in going with the gay joke, but I’ve played in a lot of FF leagues not run by me over the last decade-plus, and it’s pretty common. Not to mention that QBs are much more valuable than RBs in real life since it’s not the 1970s anymore…and a consistent six points per TD just makes sense. As stated by earlier posters, just jack around with points per passing yard if it bothers you that much.
You only get two weeks holidays a year? Yuk.
@RTH
Get off this board and continue to peddle life insurance you hack.
That is all.
Bitter.
@ No Longer a Boob-Humping Virgin
Women have sex with guys after you, the only stallion they’ll ever met in their lives, break up with them? Poppycock.
Pre-nup Guy:
I’ll keep it short. If I have to agree with Kanye on an issue, than you know the answer is clear as shine on new washed car (Bad metaphor, but just go with the flow).
Los Angeles guy,
Not sure where you’re moving from, but LA is a hard city to meet people. Maybe it’s that everyone drives all the time, maybe it’s their egos, but from my experience people aren’t as eager to go out of their social circle here, compared to other cities. But since it rarely gets below 60 degrees out during the day, there are tons of intramural leagues all over town. Depending on how competitive/athletic you are, try joining a basketball or softball league. Since I’m a scrawny jew with little athletic ability, I joined a kickball league a few years back and have been doing it since. My best friend even met his fiance through it, not to mention a ton of people who have since become good friends. Just be sure to join a league that’s sponsored by a bar, so you know it isn’t too serious, and there will always be some drinking after the games.
“Bitch, if I wanted your mouth to be a part of my marriage, I’d use it as a cum receptacle after fucking my wife.”
/dials mother-in-law
Orphan,
I feel your dilemma. I lost my mom about 5 years ago and my dad earlier this year. As an only child at 21 I am worried about this very same problem. I am a very open person, however, and have told the girl that I am seeing about all of this. My situation is a little different in that the girl I am with is not the gold digging type. She comes from a prosperous family and is pre-med who I am sure will go far in life. Everyone seems to be saying that you need to tell your lady about this and I tend to agree, although I have not had the experience of a gold digging ex-girlfriend in the past. I understand your hesitance but up front is the best way to be, try to gauge her reaction and if she didn’t know before and still loved you I doubt she’ll get money signs in her eyes. If she does, tell her that you are saving it for your future children to go to a great college and if she still wants to spend spend spend you know what you have to do. I hope things work out I could find myself in a similar situation in the future. It’s good to know there are others who have put up with a fair amount of shit themselves out there.
The NFC West has some of the most placid, non-filled-with-terrible-human-beings fanbases in all of football. Contrasted with AFC West, whose fanbases tie with the AFC North and NFC East in being filled with the most horrible shitfuckers on the planet, I’d say the Seahawks made an upgrade.
Also, I agree that the picture at top is not hot. Maybe if she was wearing lingerie and not sitting in her grandma’s living room, it would be.
For some reason, seeing someone reach down into their pants is never alluring or tempting, maybe because it suggests they have an uncontrollable itch, and the implications of that are not sexy at all.
I’m doing my first ever auction draft in an hour and trying to get my head around it.
Out of a $200 budget, $80 or so is a good price for Joe McKnight, right? I’ve got a good feeling about that kid.
Maybe they have one of those crazy marriages where they don’t have to spend every waking, non-work moment with each other.
Those kind of marriages are also known as “the ones that work.”
RE Orphan: Get a lawyer and find out what your options are, first, before any proposal-type shit happens. As mentioned above, state laws vary. Which does not, BTW, mean that the money discussion won’t or shouldn’t come up.
And for fuck’s sake, make a will, if you haven’t already. Have observed so much family bullshit because someone died without a will. And it doesn’t take millions to make someone go batshit crazy. My mother and my aunt didn’t speak to each other for about 5 years because of an amount totaling about $2500. (The story about it is somewhat complicated, and yet not interesting.)
RE Hawaiian Brownie: You do realize that your advice is rendered mostly null and void when you can’t spell “pre-nup,” right?
Also, you know what wrinkle I’d add to the ghost team? Don’t keep everyone on the bench. Start an entire, shitty team every week. Anyone who gets beat by the ghost team is subject to ridicule or some cash- or booze-related penalty.
We did something like this in my league last year. Someone dropped out at the last minute and we needed an even number of teams. What we wound up doing was the Roboteam drafted the top available pick as per yahoo FF on each round. It was interesting to see how just running with what an auto-draft picked, versus our painstaking picks came out in the wash. And yes, relentless ridicule to any team that lost to the Roboteam.
Pre-nup guy:
I am also a lawyer. I also have several *very* wealthy friends. From birth, their families hammered one thing into their head: GET A PRE-NUP. As a lawyer and a divorcee’, I can tell you GET A PRE-NUP. Go find a good lawyer, not a cheapo yellowpage scumbag, and have one drafted. Have her sign it. Your money shouldn’t matter to her, and if she won’t sign, she’s a gold-digging whorebag, and you’re better off without her. Do NOT leave it to chance, just so you don’t have to talk to her about it. Sack-up and have her sign it. You’re going to have to set boundaries and expectations in the relationship anyway, so you might as well do it over something truly important. In conclusion, GET A PRE-NUP.
RE “Whenever this trip comes up in a group conversation, there are a couple girls that freak out. They go on about how irresponsible I am, and how they wouldn’t ‘let’ their husband do something like this, even without kids. Are they just trying to make sure their husbands don’t get uppity and follow my example, or do they have a legitimate point?”
No, they don’t.
CC is correct, in that a lot of wives would have a big problem with the husband taking off for nearly a month, so you do owe your wife big-time. Or equal time, if she wants to take some dippy girls-only cruise for a couple weeks and leave you with the kids.
Just as a basis of comparison, I was talking to a coworker today and he said his wife just got back from a 3-week vacation in Vancouver. Mind you, we’re in Dallas, where it is fucking 100 degrees and humid. She did take the kids with her, so I have to question how much of a vacation it really was, but still: Vancouver in the summer. No idea why he didn’t go with them. Maybe they have one of those crazy marriages where they don’t have to spend every waking, non-work moment with each other.
We have done 6 points per passing TD in one of my leagues for years, but we also did 1pt/50yds passing to offset it. It just makes QB’s who throw a lot of TD’s more valuable than guys who just throw for yards. I like 4/TD and 25/yds better.
@ Like a Boss = I’m 32 (girl) and date across the age board. The best sex I’ve ever had was with a 23 year old – and I just had a friend my age get engaged to her much younger boyfriend (32/24). . She’ll probably be flattered that she still ‘competes’ with girls your age and wins – so don’t worry about it!
I am a lawyer, but didn’t even take family law in law school. That said, I got separated 9 months ago, so I’m minimally competent to say that assets you obtained BEFORE the marriage are generally not considered marital property. Certainly not in NC. So, as long as you KEEP THIS F-ING MONEY IN A SEPARATE ACCOUNT THAT NEVER IS JOINTLY HELD OR HAS JOINT ASSETS PUT INTO IT, you should be fine.
Spend $300 on a one-hour consultation with a family lawyer in the state you reside in, prior to ever bringing up the pre-nup idea. $300 should get you an hour with a good family lawyer, unless you live in NY or CA. Plus, you will want to have one in your contacts (who will be ethically prohibited from ever representing your spouse-to-be) in case the divorce train makes a stop at your door down the line.
And I will never get tired of “Dead Chris Henry” jokes. Woohoo!
Top notch answer to “Not Whipped” BTW. I’ve never read the Friday Fantasy Mailbag but now I shall. Bully to you good sir!
“Go out there and get herpes, and then we’ll talk.”
You gotta herp to derp.
Also in our setup you play 2rb and then have two flex which can both be) as well in prior years its always b. Een who has the strong back set who wins
@Anonymous Pussytuber
I have to agree with the 3rb because at the time and with our leage setup it worked. I was able to get MOJO Drew, Mendenhall and Charles with my picks
I think as far as QB’s are concerned that if you have two qb’s then td’s should be worth 4, but if there is 1 qb then tds should be 6. Enrico is right. Why should your flex rb who you took in the 7th round or whatever be worth more than a Rodgers or a Breesus.
Also something to consider in this draft is the depth at rb, which due to all these platoons is fucking terrible. So I’m going to have to disagree with CC here, and say that if you can get 3 very solid rb’s in your first 3 picks than go for it, cause you can always pick up a decent qb later like a Matt Ryan, or you can pick up big ben late and hope you can fill in 4 weeks a qb. Same thing goes to WR to some extent. The WR depth this year is off the wall, and rather unprediactable anyways. If you can nab a jackson greene charles or something like that in the first three rounds than go for it.
Like a Boss,
Coming from a chick in her 30′s, I would say don’t sweat it….as long as you act like you got your crap together and she already finds you interesting (which it sounds like she does) I wouldn’t see how a number could change that. I know in our group of chickadees, the ruling is 12 up or down, so your in the range of acceptable. If you were still in high school, she might catch some hell.
I think the most important thing is act mature and once you have sold her on that, the age thing will probably come out. If you go out a few times and it still has not, I would say bring it up in a joking way so she DOESNT feel like maybe you were hiding it.
Pre-nup guy, you need to tell your girlfriend about your money before you propose. There are so many relationships that fail because of finances or money issues but the bigger issue here is that you’re not being honest with her. If you’re at the point where you’re going to propose then I’m assuming that she loves you. The money shouldn’t change that BUT finding out that you’ve been hiding something from her can be a big deal for a woman (and I say this as one). Tell her, explain why you didn’t tell her before and if she’s cool then propose and ask for the pre-nup. Like someone else said if she won’t sign it then do you really want to be with her?
The Rams are just glad somebody at least hates them.
You can always balance out the 6 points for passing TDs by making the QB yardage 1pt = 40 yards instead of 25. Then the points don’t become out of hand and you can still have a TD = 6 points no matter who scores it.
lofty advice, thanks man!
Without reading the rest of the sexbag, I just want to say that I will be using one or more of these if any uppity broad wants to stick their nose in my marriage.
“Well, that’s why I married my lovely wife, and not you.”
“And that’s just ONE of many reasons why my wife is better than you.”
“…which is why your husband needs three weeks off even more than I do.”
“Bitch, if I wanted your mouth to be a part of my marriage, I’d use it as a cum receptacle after fucking my wife.”
OUTSTANDING, especially #4.
excellent use of “disinterested”! i salute you!
And that took 2 minutes to post, so I apologize.
Enrico: you are very, very, horribly wrong
To each his own, I guess. Call me old-fashioned but when I grew up, touchdowns were worth 6 points. And field goals were never worth more than 3 points. And Jenny McCarthy was spending her days giving me boners instead of talkin’ ’bout retards.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED SIMMONS TO GIVE US ONE SET OF FANTASY RULES, GODDAMMIT!!!
Otto’s right. That picture of Diane Lane, more confusing than alluring, is not causing a boner to appear. Of course, I don’t have a nose picking fetish/fantasy.
There is no good time to ask a partner for a pre-nup. If it was me, I’d probably do it a week or so after you propose. Give her a bit of time to get over the excitement of just becoming engaged.
All of the advice you’ve been given above is good. Be very calm when explaining to her why you feel the pre-nup is necessary. If she freaks out about it, and plays the “you don’t trust me” card (which is not uncommon), then she’s not the woman for you.
What happens if you move to a new state that doesn’t protect your premarital assets? Exactly, you are fucked.
1. Be polite but firm, try to make her feel comfortable. Make sure she has a lawyer and offer to pay for the bloodsucker.
2. Don’t get married without one.
3. Can I borrow $50 grand?