Bradford, Big Ben, Blowjobs, and Bad Recruiting Pitches: the KSK Sex/Fantasy Football Mailbag
04.08.10
Included in this mailbag: nothing at all having to do with nurses
One of my habits in writing the KSK sexbag, as I’m sure many of you have noticed, is a tendency to put down people who come off as somewhat douchey, clueless, whiny, or what have you. And you know what? That’s not fair. These people have taken the time to submit a question, and they deserve to be treated with at least the same level of politeness as I would give them if I were talking to them in person. So, to all those readers whom I’ve maligned in the mailbag over the last year or so: I’m sorry. I will try to be (a little) better about that, starting with this mailbag.
Speaking of, this mailbag is a bit shorter than the ones in weeks past — although not for a lack of questions. People, I’m dead serious about you doing SOME kind of self-editing before you submit a query. I’m sensitive to your problems, but I’m not going to publish a 700-word letter unless (a) it is accompanied with worthwhile pictures of your love interest, or (b) your ex-girlfriend who you got pregnant but miscarried seven years ago gets back in touch with you, and expectant father with your new wife, over Facebook and tells you that actually, she had your daughter and gave it up for adoption.
Anyway, given the dearth of acceptably brief emails this week, I’m going to close the mailbag with a question regarding neither sex nor football. It’s a one-time deal, so don’t see that as an invitation to ask us about anything and everything. Send those letters to Drew for Deadspin’s open mailbag. But first, your sex and football questions:
Football: I am a Rams fan. Is Bradford the answer to our prayers or should I fear this pick like my gut says I should?
Since the Rams are the only team in the NFC West I truly hate, I couldn’t be happier about all this Bradford talk. After the way Nebraska finished its season, I was certain that Ndamukong Suh would be the #1 draft pick, and that he’d spend the next decade or so wreaking havoc in the Seahawks’ backfield twice a year. Of course, Bradford might go on to be a terrific NFL quarterback. Or his tender shoulder could shatter into a thousand pieces the first time a defensive tackle falls on him. I don’t know. But I’m less terrified of Bradford than I am of Suh, and so for that I thank you, St. Louis Rams.
Sex: A couple of friends of my roommate from our college are coming into town this weekend. Long story short, the last time these girls came into town I ended up with one of them. Now I haven’t spoken to this girl since that night but I would love be guaranteed sex yet I don’t know how to go about this since I havent talked to her in almost 4 months. Thoughts?
Thanks,
Rams Fan
You have her number, right? Send her a text (or Facebook message) saying “Hey, have a safe trip — looking forward to seeing you.” It reestablishes contact in a polite and gentlemanly manner, and it’s just subtle enough to play off as friendliness if she’s not interested.
Fine Gentlemen of the Internet,
I have a sexytime question for you: There is this girl that hangs around with my group of friends quite a bit and normally parties at the house I live in. Thanks solely to her I am eskimo brothers with at least 5 close friends of mine. Also, she has banged 3 out of 4 of the people that live in my house, including me. This is fine, no one gets jealous because she is a sloppy drunken whore, and good to have around if you need a slump/nut busted.
Ah, young romance. Who says chivalry is dead?
One night my buddy and I thought it would be a good idea to try and Eiffel Tower her. You know, keep the dicks on the opposite ends of the girl and go to town; the not gay kind of MMF threesome. So we got drunk and shameless, as one should in this situation, and approached her with solid lines like, “Hey girl, how about some three way sex.”
Channing Tatum thinks that’s a pretty good line.
Unfortunately this well crafted plan didn’t work out and now she is really mad and sent me a mad/sad/funny text bitching about how we acted towards her.
Shocking.
A friend thinks we should apologize to her for acting like dicks. Should we? We did act like assholes, but she is a drunken whore, and as it is I feel like she brings things like that on herself. What is your take on this odd situation?
So maybe she’s a slut; does that justify you being an asshole? In case you think that’s a rhetorical question, the answer is no: it does not. If anything, sluts who you enjoy keeping around for your drunken desires should get BETTER treatment than, say, prissy bitches who don’t put out.
I won’t tell you to apologize to this girl, but I will say this: as someone with extensive experience being an asshole, it makes me feel a lot better when I apologize to someone for mistreating them, regardless of how much water has passed under the bridge. Owning up to bad behavior makes me feel like a decent human being — like a real man instead of some drunk punk.
Oh, and also: keep telling yourself that wanting a MMF threesome with your buddy isn’t gay.
As for the even finer sport of football: My Aaron Rodgers boner is growing harder and longer and more chode-like by the second. He was a great pick of mine the last two years, but is the secret now out? Where does he rate against all the other elite fantasy QBs?
Rodgers is terrific. Without mulling over stats (it’s the off-season and I’m feeling lazy), I might be inclined to put him as the #2 overall fantasy QB on my draft board (I’d never want Manning on my team, and Brady isn’t quite such a sexy option with Welker coming back from that knee injury).
Bonus question: after Jerome Harrison fucked me in FF during the middle of the season I started calling him Jerome Poopy. Simple yet effective, right? What do you think?
Thanks for the life advice,
The Leaning Tower of Penis

It’s great. You’re very clever.
Hello,
I was recalling the last 2 weeks of entries, and 2 references to “no-teeth” required for blowjobs. Both times it brought to mind the girl who gave me the best blowjobs I ever got. Just absolutely amazing. I remember her telling me she learned how to do it from reading a book, and I thought I’d recommend one for the faithful followers at KSK: Oral Sex He’ll Never Forget. (am I the only one that wants the author to blow him? Sexy eyes!)
That is downright considerate of you to share. Thank you.
For football, I’m a die hard Steelers fan, and I can’t begin to tell you how mad Ben makes me. Santonio is not that big a deal, receivers are easier to find than franchise qb’s. I’m all for innocent until guilty, and I really, really hate Goodell meting out these punishments all the time, because he’s so biased and gay in doing it. I want to believe the Steelers are a class organization, and I really want them to suspend Ben for 8 games. Face it, he’s probably not going to get charged, but he’ll never curb his behavior if the team doesn’t smack him. I would rather it’d be the Rooney’s that suspend him, because he’s their player, and it’s a stronger message. Dixon sucks (I do not know what kinda crack sportswriters in Pittsburgh do that makes me think otherwise), but I’m sure Leftwich is cheap to trade for.
Erm…not much of a question in there. I’m not lame and going to root for another team, but I did trade Big Ben in madden, and drafted a guy named Gunn. Makes the off season happier!
-MP
I, too, would like to see Roethlisberger suspended for eight games, although that’s a product of my Steeler-hate more than my sense of justice or what’s “classy” for the Rooneys to do. And if you think that’s mean-spirited of me, stick around. Put a few drinks in me and I’ll say that I wish he’d've died when he crashed his motorcycle.
I doubt the Steelers will suspend Big Ben, but if they do, it wouldn’t be for more than four games. They’re not going to completely squander their playoff chances.
Dear Gang of Sex,
I recently moved to the same city as one of my ex-girlfriends from college, one who I wouldn’t mind getting back together with. She keeps asking me to meet up with her for drinks after work, but each time we meet it ends with a hug and a goodbye. She never wants to do anything on the weekend, or join up with me when I’m out with other friends. What the hell is going on with her? Normally, when an ex wants to be just friends it entails hanging out with other friends. Is she just really indecisive about whether she wants to start up a relationship, or is this a diabolical way to screw with me (not really her m.o.)? And if I want to get back together with her, should I be more upfront about that instead of trying (and probably failing) to play it cool and force her to make a move?
There are about 800 different ways to interpret this, and with women you never know, but here’s my guess: women like having options. She likes meeting up with you because you’re on the back burner, and she doesn’t want that pot of ex-boyfriend stew to get cold. Meanwhile, on the weekends (when she’s too busy for you), she’s meeting and dating other guys and in general exploring what she feels might be better options than dating you again. It’s possible that I’m getting a few details wrong, but don’t underestimate how much women LOVE being desired, even by guys they don’t want to date (of course, this applies to men as well, but we’re not quite so nefarious about it).
And as for football, Jason Campbell could still be a decent pro, right? It’s not his fault he played behind a sieve at the start of his career.
-Bobby
Absolutely! Why, one day he might be as good as Byron Leftwich! He could be downright adequate in certain scenarios!
And now, for that non-sex/football question:
Mornin Capt,
This letter has to do neither with sex nor football, except perhaps tangentially it would give the sex a real kick in the pants. The short and sweet version: I’m a 25 yr old college grad (in econ and politics) and for the past year, I’ve been in the application process for USAF Officer Training School. I went Air Force because my father-figure mentor is a retired AF colonel. Now I’d love to be an Airman, but their process will take another 12-18 months. My goal is to serve my country in a meaningful way, and as soon as possible, so I’m thinking of applying to OCS for the Army and Marines. What are your thoughts on the three branches, both objectively and subjectively?
I, too, grew up an Air Force brat, and considered AFROTC until they told me I had to major in science or engineering and offered $9000 in tuition a year starting my sophomore year. Meanwhile, the Naval ROTC scholarship (encompassing Navy and Marines) was a full ride and I could major in anything I wanted. AND I could get out after the first year and not have to pay back that year of tuition (this was actually my original plan).
Objectively speaking, the Air Force is the branch of service most like working for a regular corporation. With the exception of the cool-kid fraternity of fighter pilots (which is about a ten-year commitment these days), being in the Air Force is the closest you can get to civilian life while being in the military.
The Army is so massive that it’s hard to pigeonhole: Green Berets doing top secret drug interdiction in South America are in the same branch as an overweight career logistician killing time at a desk in the Pentagon. But that size allows you to get as much from it as you want. If you want to just wear the uniform and get by, you can do that pretty easily. If you want to go to Ranger School and say “Hoo-ah” and lead infantrymen, you can probably do that.
The Marine Corps — and I’m still speaking objectively here — does the best job of any service to push decision-making down the chain-of-command. Tactical decisions reserved for sergeants and captains in the Army are done by corporals and lieutenants in the Marines. If you’re thirsty for as much leadership and responsibility as soon as possible, the Marine Corps is probably the best route for you.
What made you pick the Corps?
I almost didn’t. The prospect of Officer Candidates School — boot camp for those taking the officer route — was terrifying to me because I was undersized and not a very good runner. But I kept picturing myself thirty years in the future and meeting some Marines in a bar, and I didn’t want to be the guy who says, “You know, I thought about joining the Marines when I was young.”
How was your experience as an officer?
Depending on the day or the hour, being a junior officer in the Marines is either humiliating, stressful, fun, or deeply rewarding.
Basically, give me any and all info that will help make an informed decision. Any vets in the commentary box, please speak up also. Thanks in advance!
-Dude in Texas.
“Any and all info” would be way more words than I care to write. I’ll give you a quick summary of how I feel about my experience:
I like to compare my life now with how it used to be. What’s my worst day as a blogger in New York? Oh, there wasn’t enough news to write about? My computer crashed? It’s raining, so I couldn’t ride my bike to the yoga studio with all the attractive half-naked girls? It’s a lark and I know it. Every day is good. Every week is good. And even when it’s stressful, no one’s yelling at me, and no one’s life hangs in the balance of my decisions.
On the other hand, of the four years and three months I spent in the Marine Corps, I’d say that at least three out of four days were bad. Definitively shitty days. Perhaps there was something badass or cool like firing weapons or getting one of my Marines approved for an award, but by and large there was always some larger headache that sapped the pleasure out of that, and there always will be if you do it, too: lack of sleep, 125-degree heat, some dickhead major lecturing you for something he fucked up, a Marine of yours that got a DUI over the weekend, filling out paperwork because you’ve got shitbirds that are overweight, loneliness stemming from living in the middle of fucking nowhere, the monthly armory inventory you have to conduct… I could go on and on, but I’m starting to feel like crap just remembering how much it sucked.
And yet none of that can take the shine off the pride you feel when you wear the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor. I wouldn’t trade being a Marine for anything in the world — I’m just glad the hard part’s over.


@ Leaning Tower-
The Eiffel Tower MMF threesome is even more gayer than the normal MMF threesome because it incorporates a French landmark into the name. Knowing is half the battle gay boy!
Channing Tatum thinks that’s a pretty good line
Jesus thats good.
I like that people still clarify which question is about football and which about sex. What, you’re NOT asking about how to give your lady a Ndamukong Suh?
If you say “no homo” when you bust a nut, you’ll be fine.
Leaning Tower – Yeah, you’re pretty much an asshole. At worst, she is doing nothing more than you and your bros (yes, I realize a double standard is alive and well, thanks), and you totally degrade and humiliate her. Apologize to her, and be man enough to cut ties with her, i.e., don’t use her anymore.
Bobby – Politely decline her invitation. Sounds like you are getting jerked around, and you need to even the playing field a bit. But, don’t cut ties completely, just don’t jump at her beck and call.
@ Dude in Texas
This is easy: join whatever awesome military branch Drew Brees is part of. That’s the group you want to be in.
I thought the term was suspension bridge, not Eiffel Tower.
Baby wants a House of Spears, I tell you what.
The Eiffel Tower is super gay. Not only are you in an MMF, but you get the pleasure of staring at your buddy’s o-face the whole time.
No love for the Coast Guard?
Dude in Texas,
I was an infantryman and medic in the Army for 8 years, 4 Regular and 4 Reserve. I was enlisted, and I agree that while much of my time was spent enduring stress, I wouldn’t have traded those years for anything. One good way to decide on where to go is to decide what you want to do. Carry a rifle? Fly? Sail? Each service does some things the others don’t. If you want to carry a rifle, remember this: The training I went through to become an Army infantryman is what EVERY Marine goes through before going on to their Advanced Individual Training, or whatever they call it. So a Marine truck driver has basically the same skills an an Army infantryman when each get out of initial training. The Army can be very serious, but the Marines DO NOT FUCK AROUND. My dad was a Marine, so I have all the respect in the world for them, but I wanted to jump out of planes. Whatever you decide, make sure you WANT to do it, and it should work out. But it will be difficult, I guarantee it.
Eiffel Tower–you sound like a cocksucker. Your attitude toward that girl is gayer than the MMF, which incidentally isn’t gay. I’m shocked that most commenters on an NFL blog would disagree, but you’re not banging him, right? Thus, not gay.
I kinda enjoy the little mean comments you make when somebody writes something that screams “giant douche,” but if you’d prefer the commenters take over that chore, cool. Like this:
“the not gay kind of MMF threesome” – LOL… Right. The fact that the writer WANTED to do the MMF thing, ie, it was his suggestion, and not something the drunken slut suggested first, may not make him gay, but it makes him not entirely straight, either.
And how off-putting for the drunken slut to turn him down. Why, the nerve…
In order to do a true Eiffel Tower wouldn’t both dudes have to raise their arms and clasp hands over the girl whilst staring deep into each others eyes (this is purely conjecture)? If so, that’s HELLA GAY.
@Bobby: Were you the one that ended it in college? The back-burner is spot on. She likes you liking her.
@Leaning Tower: Way to slice open that golden goose. If you’re going to push the slut envelope, be prepared for that slut to re-examine her self esteem, or at least find another house full of Borat-quoting cheesedicks.
Put a few drinks in me and I’ll say that I wish he’d’ve died when he crashed his motorcycle.
Since when does it take a few drinks to get you to say that?
@ Harf: Yeah, although I prefer the term Rotisserie.
(Former Marine grunt here)
Here’s what I tell people:
“I wouldn’t wish the dehumanizing experience of the Marine Corps on my worst enemy…but I’d vehemently recommend it to my best friend.”
If you want to make the most rational decision when choosing a service, the Marine Corps is not for you.
If you want to be challenged in an uncompromising way for less benefits, less logistics, and less training that actually translates to the real world The Marine Corps is for you.
If you take pride in using your wits and intelligence to “work smarter and not harder,” the Marine Corps is not for you.
If you take pride in doing things the hardest way imaginable, The Marine Corps if for you.
If you want a career, the Marine Corps is not for you.
If you are seeking a new way of life, perhaps a new religion, the Marine Corps is for you.
Caveman “bad recruiting pitch” is typical of a Marine. If you ask a Marine if you should join the Corps, they will tell you about how miserable it is. We’re trying to cull the herd. If you are on the fence, we don’t want you.
The most significant diference between the Marines and the other branches are the people we attract to the system. There is a reason why the Air Force and Navy show cool futuristic shit you can use in their commercials, the Army tells you how much you can improve yourself, yet the Marines show a couple guys beating the shit out of each other with pugil sticks or highly discipline types in dress blues. We attract people that are irrational, aggressive and seek challenge.
SEMPER FI MOTHERFUCKERS!!!
@Tom Coughlin’s Sex Tape
Does an “Ndamukong Suh” involve clubbing her vagina into submission and then throwing her into the bed like a ragdoll?
I am not a Marine, and I am now too old and tied down to join. And I will always always always wonder whether I could have hacked it.
Good for you. I’ve been saying for years that I wish Big Ben woulda died in the motorcycle accident. And I don’t feel the slightest bit of bad for saying it. Think of how many lives his death might have saved. Thousands of young ass holes across the country woulda thought twice about riding their bikes unsafely with his death in their minds.
Also a friend of mine who went to Miami of Ohio with him says he could not have been a bigger d-bag in college.
A sincere thank you to all who served; that’s pretty badass.
A friend thinks we should apologize to her for acting like dicks. Should we? We did act like assholes, but she is a drunken whore….
Hey, Tucker Max wrote into the fantasy/sex mailbag!
@ SousChef
Now that you mention it, that sounds about right. And right up Eiffel Tower guy’s alley.
It’s about goddamn time that Harry Potter and the sexbag joined forces.
Hands down the worst mailbag I’ve ever read minus the whole Marine part… Dude who tried to double the slut with his buddy, shes a slut just apologize when you’re out drinking buy her a shot and you could probably bang her that night
@SousChefGerard
Couldn’t that also be called a Charlie Sheen?
RE Bobby: Eh, sounds like she’s uninterested but is trying to be “nice” about it. No offense, I’m sure you’re awesome, but people change. Especially after they’ve left the relatively warm and nurturing cocoon of college. You say: “She keeps asking me to meet up with her for drinks after work, but each time we meet it ends with a hug and a goodbye.”
I’m curious about how you expected these evenings to end. She may be under the impression that you are now friends (you know, the kind without benefits). If you expect something else, you will probably have to be explicit about it (ie, be upfront, not explicit as in “Hey, baby, fancy a shag?” although that could work, maybe).
Wait, wait … Matt was in the Marines?
Seriously, thanks to all of you for your service to the country. I’m probably too old to join up now, but unlike Matt, I’ll never have to wonder if I could’ve hacked it. I know for sure there’s no fucking way I’d have lasted.
I wish eiffel tower guy would have died in his motorcycle accident, instead of just becoming the brain damaged piece of shit that he is.
re the USAF, my dad was a 20+ pilot (tankers and one yr as the BAT 21 guy). the thing is, unless you’re stationed in a combat zone, they just don’t fly enough (because of the cost of fuel) to make it worthwhile. take away the time in the air, and it’s like any other job with politics, assholes, friends and families, frequent uprootedness (every 3-4 yrs) and above average bennies.
i also have a brother-in-law who joined and I figured he would do 2 yrs and leave. a wild kid for most of his yrs, i didn’t think he would enjoy it. now he’s working on Major and training other navigators. Loves it. Still, to get ahead, he had to do tours of Iraq doing nothing but earthbound security detail.
Eiffel Tower guy: sex involving more than one guy is gay. Period. The fact that you would risk a great arrangement for sex involving two dudes and only one chick pretty much proves that you are gay.
Bobby: forget that bitch. If you try to get back with her, she wins the breakup.
Dude in Texas: Even seriously considering the Marines make you a better man than I am. As an outsider, I have way more respect for the Marines than any other branch of the service.
Re: Marines/Air Force…
I was the #1 Tennis player at my high school for two years, and also at my local Junior College for a year. Really, it all depends on what type of experience you are looking for.
Was never in the service, but thought I would relate the following about a friend who was formerly in the air force, serving as a spin test demonstration pilot and instructor in the T-37. He is now an accounting professor. When asked how someone could go from a job that most people would kill for to a job that most people would describe as the most boring in the world, he said 2 things. 1, even flying airplanes turns into a boring job once you do it over and over again enough, and he didn’t find it intellectually stimulating after a while, which he did get from accounting.
Take from that whatever you want.
@Dude in Texas
I hail from a Navy family and my older brother was in the Marines. If it weren’t for Don’t Ask Don’t Tell I would have likely served too (fuck that, I’m not going to hide myself for four years and risk blowing my career at any second because of some jilted ex or off-hand comment, and I’m not buying Obama’s promises that it will change anytime soon). That said, Caveman is dead-on -you do what your branch offers. My dad wanted to fly F-14′s so he became a Navy pilot, my grandfather and his brothers wanted to operate huge fucking guns so they joined the Navy during WWII, and my brother loved the infantry so he became a Marine. The Marines DO NOT fuck around, and most of his stories while he was in were bitching about the structure and dealing with all the bullshit. Yet, he’s incredibly proud of his servicetime – it’s precisely because it was the most hardcore that he joined.
One other thing – the Marines are exponentially more dangerous than USAF or USN (the Army can be if you’re infantry). My brother faught in Ramadi in the fall of 2005 – basically in the most dangerous city during the most dangerous time in Iraq. He got hit by a roadside bomb, and although he survived and is in one piece, it took him months of surgery and rehab to get back together, and he still has shrapnel lodged in his knee. He also lost a lot of friends from subsequent tours. Point is, though the situations in Iraq/Afghanistan may calm down by the time you’d be through training (not gonna get in that discussion) you have to be willing to accept that risk of you or your friends possibly getting blown up – you never know what the next vonflict will be, and Marines are always the first ones thrown into the shitstorm.
Military Dude,
West Point grad and former Army Captain here. With a quote like “My goal is to serve my country in a meaningful way, and as soon as possible” you’re just the kind of LT Soldiers and Marines deserve to have leading them. The day to day administrative responsibilities of an officer, particularly a junior officer, are many and CC describes them well. But if you can stay focused and not get lost in all the BS, it’s the most rewarding experience of your life. Just remember that the reason you exist is to make sure that those in your charge are as well trained and prepared to defend this country as you can make them. That encompasses everything from making sure they can shoot straight to making sure their families at home are supported during a deployment. The task is daunting and never ending, but it’s immeasureably rewarding if you’re up to it.
Oh, and if your goal is to lead men in combat, the Army or Marines will be your best opportunities to do so. Nothing against the other services, but only very small portions of the USAF and Navy that conduct direct action in war.
I think your willingness to call a douchebag a douchebag is what makes this column great.
Wait, Slutty Girls have feelings too? That can’t be right.
@Eiffel Tower: You’re a cunt.
@Dude: Join the French Foreign Legion, you pussy.
@Leaning Tower
Jesus Christ you are a piece of shit.
@Leaning Tower,
Holding another dude’s hand and gazing into his eyes while you bust a nut is a totally hetero thing to do. Also, can I borrow your copy of “I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell” when you are done with it?
Douche.
@Dude in Texas
Both my parents were Capt in the Marines. It’s a toss up about which they are more proud of – being a Marine or having me. I tend to side with the Marines. Their pride is so encompassing that when we saw the Marine Corps band play a few years back, even though neither of them had been in uniform in 20 years, as soon as Marines Hymn (the Marines anthem) was played, they were standing at attention in their seats before the 3rd note was played, along with all the other Marines in attendance.
Being in the military will change your life, and make you proud of something that many others will not have in their histories. I applaud you for wanting to serve. I’m sure you will do what is right for you.
@Eiffel tower: yup, you’re a douche
Here’s my no-one-gives-a-fuck story…I was 16 or 17 and went for an interview for a Navy ROTC scholarship. Get about halfway through the interview, when I realize, “Hey…it’s not just a free 4 years tuition…I actually have to serve for 4 years when I get out!!!” So I’m ready to say, “Sorry, but I’m a pussy who wanted a free ride” when in walks a very large and very impressive Lt. Napoleon McCallum. Starstruck? You bet. “Oh hey, son, meet Lt. McCallum. He works on base here, and hopes to play in the NFL someday.” I still was a giant pussy and dropped out of the scholarship consideration. Many many many times I wonder if that was the right call.
Also, the Eiffel Tower guy is gayer than Ricky Martin beating off to Clay Aiken. Which is pretty damn gay.
I thought that type of 3some was called “the rotisserie” I don’t quite get eiffel tower from that…
@dude, scumdog brings up a really good point that maybe should figure into your decision about the military; what are you looking to do after serving? (if you even know yet, though you’re already 25 so maybe you’ve got an inkling). I’ve been helping my brother-in-law with his resume and even he, a Marine Captain, XO of hundreds of guys, two tours in Ramadi, finds himself without a whole hell of a lot of job options so he’s most likely staying in. He’s got a wife and a baby so getting out without a job lined up isn’t really an option. I’m not discouraging going in to any branch (I never served and also have always sort of wished I had) but picking a branch of service that might best point you towards a career you want might be a good idea. I know once you’re in you only have limited say in what you do, but to the extent possible, I’d say try to go after jobs in the military that might help you once you’re out.
@eiffel, go home and punch your father in the balls for failing to teach you how to treat women.
My dad and his brothers (all of them) were in the Korean war at the same time. So Grandma wrote to have one sent home (see: Sullivan brothers). The commandant said ” no “. They wouldn’t trade those experiences for anything.
Me? I went Army. (Better college plan). As I like to tell people, I pissed off both my parents when I joined the Army, my mom because I joined the military and my dad because I chose the wrong branch.
Anyhow, the observations seem pretty spot on. The Army is a bureaucracy at this point. The hammer of combined arms takes a back seat to Special Ops, and “winning the hearts and minds “. (Please note – that was the failed policy from Vietnam). I can’t speak for the other services, but we spend DAYS on training such as: Prevention of Sexual Harrassment, Consideration of Others, Equal Opportunity etc.etc.
But yes, joining the military will change your life. Some better, some worse. And believe me, 18 months after basic, OCS, or whatever, when you come back and talk to your non-military friends? You will understand how you are lightyears ahead of them.
@eiffel – I forgot to mention that a MMF 3-way is, in fact, gay. Hell, I have a same-sex partner and I think that’s super gay.
@cockflashy “Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea.” – Samuel Johnson
I was an on active duty as an Army officer for seven years. Got to make friends with quite a few great guys (including CC). I did some amazing things that I will be proud of for the rest of my life. Still, no f’ing way I was trying to make a life earning my money that way. Too much bullshit. Too much incompetence rewarded. Too many years away from friends and family.
I think the guys above have already done a good job discussing the relative merits of the different branches. In the following order, I think you will be most proud of your service: join the Marines, Army next , then the Navy, and finally the Air Force. Not coincidentally, those are also how I rank the services in level of suck factor.
And since I’m feeling so quotey, I’ll leave you with this one that summarizes pretty well my feelings about my time in the Army.
“I’m glad I did it, partly because it was worth it, but mostly because I shall never have to do it again.” – Mark Twain
@Dude: Best of luck with your decision. I’m NROTC now (I commission in a month, then going to flight school), so maybe/hopefully I’ll see you in the fleet someday.
To everyone else above, thanks for the great gouge. I learned some interesting things about how other services see themselves that gave me a little bit more knowledge. More importantly, though, thank you for your service.
FLY NAVY
-Wudgles
Dear Eiffel Tower ‘Mo,
All talk about whether wanting a MMF 3some is gay ornot aside, wouldn’t it have been much simpler and classier to offer to take said Drunken Whore out for a nice dinner, get her a little bit drunk and arrange a nice accidental meeting with your bud. You guys could have pretended it was an accident and proceeded to play strip poker or something, and maybe take turns kissing her and making her feel sexy, instead of coming out like some asshole and telling her you want to bone her?
Sometimes it’s called “Chinese fingercuffs”. It’s always called gay.
Dude In Texas,
I did 22 years, 10 in the Army, 12 in the Air Force. I was an enlisted Air Force guy, Army Warrant Officer, and then came back into the Air Force and finished out as a commissioned guy. I wanted to fly, so I chose the Army to be a helicopter pilot and then flew special ops helicopters in the Air Force as a commissioned guy, but it all depends on what you want to do. Capt Caveman is right in that the Air Force has more of a corporate mentality, but Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC) gets their hands dirty as much as anyone. But if you want to get your hands dirty, and do it quicker, go Army. You have a lot more jobs avaialable, like special forces (Green Berets), Army Ranger, leg infantry, Airborne, Armor, Artillery, or aviation. But if you want to fly a lot, and I mean a LOT, think about becoming a helicopter pilot as an Army Warrant Officer, not a commissioned guy.
There’s misery and shit and missing home regardless of what branch you choose, but the Army is a lot like the Marines in the sense that the mission comes first, and you a replaceable part and a faceless number–when we tell you to go fight for a year, you go. Fuck your family; they get over it or they leave. It sucks for a lot of guys, but it is what it is. In the Air Force, you deploy, but generally you’re not gone for a year or more at a time, and you see your family more.
If you want to lead, and I mean really lead, go Marines or Army. Air Force officers, for the most part, don’t know fuckall about leading and being commanders. As a second lietentant in the Army or Marines as a combat arms guy (infantry, armor, etc) you will lead more people on a day to day basis than most Air Force majors or Lt Cols have ever, or will ever lead, unless they get a squadron or a wing.
Oh, and I bitched, pissed, and moaned every day I was in the military, and I was never more scared than the first time somebody shooting at me and trying to kill me. And I’ve also never been more bored, and I was never home and was always missing my wife and kids. And I never felt the weight of responsibility more.
But I miss it. Every…goddamn…day. I still can’t believe THEY paid ME to fly helicopters.
I way got the better end of the deal.
Not to go all Jezebel or anything, but I’m really glad the KSK commentariat are generally the kind of people who don’t tolerate Eiffel’s asshole-style of disrespect to women.
Like CC says, you’d think a guy would be a little appreciative when a girl is willing to bang him on a semi-regular basis without getting serious about it, instead of dropping “whore” and “slut” -bombs everywhere.
@Dude in Texas: Good luck to you. I’m grateful for your desire to keep us safe.
@ Eiffel Tower guy…for half a second I thought you were talking about me until you brought the scary visual into it, because while the guys I hang with seem like they’d try such a thing, they’ve never tried it with moi.
“She is a drunken whore, and as it is I feel like she brings things like that on herself…” Wow. I seriously hope this gal wises up and leaves you hanging with blue balls, because you are an ass. I’m sure you’re not calling her such horrible names when you’re trying to cozy up to her.
Actually, I suppose I have to thank you as well, because you’ve inspired me to change my ways – I won’t be getting drunk with them again!
I loved how CC claimed to be a kinder gentler rsponse-giver then just layed old Eiffel Tower bitch to waste.
Respect, thanks and admiration to all of you who have served. I chose to move away from home at 18, move to California and do copious amounts of LSD while consuming as much beer and inhaling as much weed as humanly possible instead of enlisting.
It worked for me.
What were we talking about again?
TexasDude -
I was an AF brat for 18 yrs, Army medic in an ADA unit… fuck the PATRIOT crews… combat MOS my balls (I think they changed this recently too) for four and a military spouse for 2. Don’t get married in the military, never ever ever ever. This is 24 yrs of experience around the military talking.
CC pretty much hit it on the head with the military breakdown. I don’t know much about the officer side of things, only enlisted.
AF is corporate and call each other by first names which confused the hell out of most of us when we had to work with them. But they won’t jump you if you go into an AF NCO club and talk crazy shit… thanks guys! They also tend to not shit talk very well, and get pissy pretty quickly.
Navy… fuck if I know, their rank and uniforms scare me, never had to work with them.
Army loves to bitch about the Army, but they have the widest array of jobs like CC says… you can be a fatass REMF or a Ranger. Rangers have no sense of humor and no fun to talk shit to, the SF guys are really chill though.
Marines enjoy suffering, they take pride in their suffering and getting Navy scraps, treated like shit and getting paid the least (promoted the slowest, at least enlisted did when I was in). Every Marine I have met since I got out 10 yrs ago still refers to themselves as Marines (except one), I can’t even call them ex-Marines. They’re a twisted bunch. Oh, and Marines will jump you if you talk shit, apparently only if they can get the rest of their squad.
Your shit talking experience may vary.
One thing about the military is it sucks balls. But you’ll never make the friends you do there. Shared suffering really tightens people. 10 yrs later all I remember is the fun times, but I managed to enlist between conflicts, so other than peacekeeping rotations in Saudi, I never did anything remotely dangerous. The people that serve now suffer a shit-ton more than I did.
I’m a mad-ass reader of this site, but rarely ever post here, but when I read the last letter I had to. I just came home from my Uncle Mike’s funeral. He was 62 and a Marine. Did two tours in Vietnam. I’m not young but not old enough to remember the war. What I do know is that the majority of the people at his funeral were his fellow Marines. The service gave me goosebumbs. I was in awe. He had two brothers, but always said the men he served with meant as much to him. I am humbled and honored to be related to a man like him. Semper Fi. RIP MVP
I worked as a civilian in the Army for 8 years, and I can vouch that it offers a huge variety of MOS’s- from helicopter pilots to linguists to cooks. Also, what CC says about the AF is the best I have ever heard it put. I have a sister and brother-in-law that are both E6s in the Air Force, and it being more akin to a corporation or the corporate world is a wonderful analogy. Also, you get much better accomodations and treatment overall in the AF. I worked for the Army during Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath, and since we were under emergency conditions, they put me working temporarily as a billeting clerk handing out keys for rooms in a newly refurbushed hospital about an hour away from New Orleans, that had been made into basically what amounted to a BOQ (bachelor officer’s quarters). The Army guys coming in from having spent days in the Superdome thought they had died and gone to heaven getting these rooms- A/C, a double bed, cable TV, and hot showers- the AF guys took one look at their rooms, handed me their keys back, said thanks-but-no-thanks, and checked into local hotels. The Army will put you up in some shitty places (basically anywhere you can set down a cot or a bedroll) that the AF wouldn’t even dream of. Air Force guys tend to act 10x’s more entitled than any other military branch I’ve had experience with though, and in any situation, I hated having to deal with them.
Also, Eiffel towering is the gayest thing I have ever heard of, but as a woman, I can tell you that I cannot wait until the days a guy comes up to me and says, “Hey girl, how ’bout a threesome?” I have dreamed of that since I was a little girl.
@Bobby,
If this is a new town for both of you, maybe she just wants a familiar face in an unfamiliar area. If this is not a new location then she just wants to be wanted. I have two ex-girlfriends who I am close friends with and have no additional benefits. Then again, there’s a third one. She made it known right away that the only reason she was stopping by was because she wanted serious fucking. This was discussed at the onset of reconnecting with her and she let it be known that was all it was for.
Sorry, dude. Probably not gonna happen.
“Say, friend. You got any of that good sarsaparilla?”
@ CC and all the commenters who have served: Thank You.
Ok, everyone has hammered on the French Fag nicely for his gay little threesome idea.
You know why you really are gay, “My Aaron Rodgers boner is growing harder and longer and more chode-like by the second.” Most straight FF players will say stuff like “Damn, Chris Johnson is such a stud, I am glad I drafted him.” or “Breesus is the man, I would buy him a beer if I ran into him in a bar.” But you have a boner for Rodgers? This just screams you want the cock.
Hey, Lcpl of Marines here, been in 2 years as a c130 loadmaster. Shit sucks sometimes, sometimes its a rush. I’m planning on going to OCS as soon as i graduate college, paid for courtesy of the NY naval militia. Being a marine doesn’t really pull tail, but when around fellow marines all the time it gets u pumped up, it can be a real rush, the feeling of being part of an elite group and all. Ground side is different I hear, but think about doing OCS and then putting ur request to go to the airwing. You get part of oohrah kill kill kill and part of the “corporate” airforce type shit. Its fun, I love it and wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world, even as a junior marine at the bottom of the totem pole. PS I’m a 21 y/o reservist and have only been activated once, so my views may be skewed.
Drew Brees appreciates that all branches of our military help defend this country, and would like to thank all active duty and vets for their service.
/and yeah, bob does too
Hi yall,
I wanted to thank Matt and all the commenters [especially the vets] for the thoughts and advice. Really appreciate it guys and gals.
Some of you were wondering about my motivation to join, and what I wanted to do after serving.
Motivation: Is there a better way to spend your days than to wake up, put on the uniform and serve your country? Unless you’re Jerry goddamn Jones, I can’t think of it. And USAF, cuz fuck, what’s more awesome than strapping on basically a rocket with a seat and blasting off into the wild blue yonder? Seriously though, what I am looking for is the kind of leadership and responsibility that comes with military service.
After service: honestly, I have no idea. But I have promised my mom that I’ll get a Masters someday, so “head back to school” is my answer for this. Plus I’ve heard that ex-service members have a rather “fun” time in college.
Wrapping up, you guys have me convinced: I’m gonna visit my friendly, neighborhood Army and Marine officer recruiters next week. I’d do it tomorrow, but I have to fulfill another cherished civic obligation: jury duty.
farazhelp@gmail.com – Anyone who commented above and/or has anything to say, please don’t hesitate to write.
Adios,
DiT
PS. Navy and Coast Guard are cool too, but just not for me.
Oh, and also, from a lot of research, I’ve learned that the AF has the hottest chicks. Now this wasn’t the biggest reason I went for AF, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t play a part. Dammit, I’m a hot-blooded Texan after all!
What on earth are you talking about, an MMF threesome is only gay if you make it so – perhaps all of you people screaming otherwise are just worried you couldn’t resist jerking a guy off if the opportunity arose?
@ Dude in Texas…if you join a service arm for the women, regardless of which branch ranks highest I think in the end you are gonna be sadly let down. I’ve been overseas with the military and finding a semi-attractive woman in a warzone is like finding a guy who wants to Eiffel Tower a chick with his male friend, who is not gay…
@IHTGMS:
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he today that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Shakespeare
Oh, and “Secure that building!”
Marines assault it.
Army garrisons it.
Navy locks the doors and walks away.
Air Force takes out a lease with option to buy.
Wassernijer – wow. No words. Mirror time for you, pal.
I don’t want to denigrate the gays by saying Eiffel Tower is gay. He’s more of a fucking asshole than gay.
Riding your bike to yoga class? Now that’s gay.
@ Wassernijer – Dude, two naked guys in a bed ? What about that DOESN’T scream gay ?
Worst. Mailbag. Ever.
Yeah, so thanks for serving our country and all, but I don’t want to read about that bullshit in the mailbag. Take it elsewhere. I want to read about Sex, and Football, that’s it. I thought it was a simple enough concept even you retards could understand it.
Dude in Texas: As a former Air Force NCO, I would echo what Matt says about being an officer in the Air Force. Unless you fly, you’re treated as a second class citizen. The only exception to that would be serving as a Combat Controller. I was a CCT for 5 years and saw more action than most guys will see in a 20 year career, and of the special forces branches the training period isn’t too bad (shorter than both Delta and Seals). Very few people have heard of us (even in the Air Force) but those who know our work appreciate it.
@dancingbaptist – so communal showers are gay as well? homosexuality is defined by the act, not proximity, you don’t turn gay if you get too close to a penis, that’s not how it works
@Caveman: As a former Army logistics officer, I wanted to point out there are many physically fit Army logistics officers jockeying desks worldwide.
@Dude in Texas: Caveman is right. It really depends on what you want out of the experience. I thought I wanted to be a trigger-puller when I accepted the AROTC scholarship, but through some fortuitous circumstances found a career field in the Army that fit my personality. I will tell you that when deployed (and if you join the Army or USMC you WILL be deployed), you work with other services much, much more than when in garrison. You do get a feel for the different cultures in each service, and the other posters have been pretty much right on in describing them.
I would only tell you that if you want to learn to lead people, the Army or the Marines are for you. The focus on leadership development in those two services is ingrained in every aspect of their cultere.
@wassernijer
There is a fine line between being hammered and desperate and getting yourself in a threeweay (still gay, and you will probably want to take it to the grave), and wanting a MMF 3-way without even trying to get some 1 on 1 action first. Whether most people want to admit it or not (I’m talking about the people here, lets face it most of us aren’t studs), most of us would probably give into the 3 way if it was the only way of getting some. I’m hetero, but I’ll admit if I was hammered I’d probably eventually give in, and spend the rest of my life trying o forget it. Still, no hetero man should want to have a MMF 3 way unless it was absolutely the only possible way of getting laid.
@ Bobby
Clearly you still have feelings. Why not make a move, or drop some hints? I’m assuming you had moved on before she moved to your town anyway. What do you have to lose? You’re not getting any with her currently, and I’m assuming you’re tired of just meeting and parting ways. Just make sure you don’t do it in the form of a drunk text, because drunk texts will always bite you in the ass. Always!
MMF – You’re gay.
@MFM 3 some guy… clearly we are on a different level than these people, MFM 3 somes are not gay they are hilarious, however very degrading to some females, you really need to find a rare breed of slut to pull this off… some girls are down for this, majority of those will be fat and ugly… again to reiderate just apologize to her when your out drinking so its not akward
@Scumdog0331 – Did you get this from the Lance Corporal underground? Or were you pissed at always being the ammo man for the pig (or 240)?
udflyer09
how are they hilarious? “Our dicks touched…so funny!” Something weird about getting off while your friend is naked and getting off inches away from you. Are you okay with jerking off next yo your friends as well? Are you Dominican?
@anonymous
You’ve got it backwards, getting into any threesome is infinitely harder than getting laid, as UDflyer points out you really need to find that rare breed, he’s also right about the hilarity
and the correct term is spit-roast, i thought this was universal
Military Dude in Texas,
I would think long and hard about what your priorities are. As a former Marine who served two tours in Iraq and was wounded by an IED I have had to go through this progression. I initially was in NROTC Marine Option at Univ of Idaho but chose to enlist in the infantry instead of continuing on through college. Granted my experience will be undoubtedly different than yours as an LT my thoughts might help you. There are plenty of ways to serve your country and community without joining the armed forces. (you will have just as much pride doing it too) Now, don’t underestimate what I am saying, I loved the Corps and was motivated everyday to do my individual best and have the rest of the marines around me do their best. The problem is the context. America does not need the military it has (are we really under a serious military threat that justifies such a large force of arms? 9-11 does not equal an attack on democracy nor sovereignty). And because America does not need its military, it manufactures uses for it (hence every war or conflict since WWII). Here was my dilemma, I had tremendous pride in my Corps and its abilities. But i found its mission increasingly morally reprehensible and indefensible. You may come to a different conclusion but for me I felt like I wasted good years of my life and saw great men and women lose theirs in that desert. Moreover it makes me sick to my stomach that it is as dangerous for someone my age to killed at home as it is in Iraq. It is a fucking war zone in Oakland and all over the country. Schools are fucking closing down left and right and people are losing their homes all over the place but if you try and take money away from the DOD you have stupid right wing Teabaggers and Repubs crying afoul. I ask you think about what and who you would really be serving? Are the Taliban really gonna come for your neighbors? I know I am on my soapbox but if you are still interested in joining, go down to your local VA hospital and see some the broken young men there who were in IRAQ and Afghanistan. PS using the vet line for College pussy is not it is cracked up to be. It only has regional play. Maybe in the Midwest or Texas or FL. It did work in Ten and Arizona. I am in a MS prgm in SF and it is fucking useless.
@eiffel tower MMF? Ugh. I was actually invited by a girl into an MMF… I wasn’t nearly drunk or high enough, and the girl’s name wasn’t Ava Devine. Ufford’s right – prissy bitches get no respect! ;) Seriously though, when you get out of college – finding a good looking girl to get you over the hump is a lot harder. Having one willing to be on call since you aren’t an assole is a pretty sweet thing.
@ Anonymous Pussytuber – haha NO, I am not Dominican?… And I dont see how your dick is going to touch the other guys when he is banging her from behind and you are getting blown? Wait let me guess you didn’t know that was possible… I know my dick isn’t as long as any girls torso (and i can garuntee yours is not either), so I’d say I’m safe from my dick touching another dudes…
The MFM scene in “Californication” was funny as hell, topped off by a good squirt. And it was prefaced by what I imagine I’d say to the other guy: “I’m not making any sort of contact with your cock.” I probably would have done MFM in college (with no cock contact), but nowadays it really doesn’t interest me.
MFF, however, will never lose its appeal.
Oh, and @Tom Coughlin: An “Osi Umenyiora” is both football and sex (albeit a freaky niche kind of sex), so yeah, you gotta specify.
Flyer
I never said it was going to touch, it’s just incredibly eery knowing the girl on fellating you is currently getting pounded a couple of inches away from you by your friend, that you know well. Just very weird, and takes a rare breed of man to do so.
I’d say the MMF debate is simple. You could have sex with a girl, or you could have sex with a girl and invite another dude.
The only difference between the two situations is the presence of another guy. The only thing that adds to YOUR experience is … another guy.
Seems gay to me.
A guy wanting an MMF threesome has some latent homosexuality issues to deal with. Period.
@Eifel
The issue isn’t whether the MMF is gay, the issue is what an asshole you are. Seriously, the way you talk about this girl shows that you have zero respect for females period . . . and you comments about Rogers just shows that you try way too hard.
This must all stem from you having a small dick.
Go Air Force. I’ve got 8 years in the Army and the variety of assignments and promotion rates are great, but if you’re thinking long term, you need to go Air Force. It is an easy life style, much less stress and more focus on family. If you want to kill things, go Marines or join the Airborne in the Army. Whatever you do, don’t join the Navy. It defines gay.
Having a boner around another guy freaks me out, I just don’t think I would react well, especially if it was around a friend…weird. And quit saying “But she’s a fucking whore!” What a dumb thing to say, what are you 16? Furthermore, your question bothers me, your asking if you should apologize to someone because you insulted them? Yeah, that is what human beings do you little cunt.
Military Dude in Texas,
I’m a former Air Force TACP JTAC (basically a forward air controller/ close air support controller) and in my opinion if you want to do a little of everything AF Special Ops is the way to go. After my tech school for TACP I went straight to Airborne, Ranger, Air Assault, and Pathfinder schools. I did one tour then went Special Forces SFAS and then the Q course and after that I was attached to a ODA (Green Beret A-Team) for my second and third tours and went to Sniper, Freefall, Scuba, the SF Advanced Recon and Interdiction school. I loved every second of it. I mean they paid me to jump out of airplanes, blow stuff up and shoot. It was great. Though those skills translate poorly to the civilian world which is why I’m now a cop on a SWAT team… What the hell else would I use all that shit for?
But if you want high speed, high intensity with the most extensive training available AFSOC going TACP (Tactical Air Control Party) or CCT (Combat Controler) is the way to go.
Are those really Emma Watson’s hands? If so, ummmmm, what? Those things are fucking enormous.
@Eifeltower-
I thought that was called the Chinese Fingertrap?
Army staff sergeant here. I’m a journalist (really). I would advise a word of caution if you think you’re going to hop right into any special forces group. Unless you are a physical specimen to behold it’s going to be really tough to get into. I can’t tell you about officer promotions but I can second what pretty much everyone is saying. If you want to lead go Army or Marines. My neighboor is the Commandant’s aide and dude is badass. I’d go to war and trust a Marine before I gave an Airman the time of day. If you are single without kids, the military is great. I’m married with two boys, never thought I would stay past my initial commitment, now I’m looking at making a career of it.
I don’t think the Eiffel tower is necessarily gay on it’s own, but here’s what’s disturbing about your scenario. You’ve already had said female and could probably have a repeat encounter if you desired. But you want to spice it up a bit by adding another dude. Why would you add another dude if you could just have her all to yourself? Food for thought
@Dude in Texas:
Good friend of mine just finished his stint in the Navy, now he’s in the reserves, getting a second bachelor’s degree on GI Bill in naval architecture (I think, his first degree was something in engineering, structural or materials I think). He’s mentioned a lot of ex-navy officers go into engineering jobs with defense contractors, shipbuilders or oil companies (lot of similarities in designing drilling platforms and ships).
Again, thanks to all of you with advice! Not sure if anyone saw this earlier, but I’ve actually heeded yalls words and setup an appt with the a Marine officer recruiter. Wish me luck! Or if you get me in touch with any brass you know, that’d be even better! :D
Now if I get into Marine OCS AND the Air Force hurries up their act and accepts me into their F-15E Strike Eagle program, fuck, that’s gonna be a hard decision to make.
I’ve got a ton more questions, so any volunteers? Write here: farazhelp@gmail.com
@ kush
(slow, standing, prolonged clap)
I want to join the branch where a guy in Nevada radios you to “Hold your position” and then you tell your guys, “Let’s move out.”
I’m sorry for the very late West Coast post, but…
This Submarine Service vet (1980-85) must give the youngster some good advice as to where the good pay and the good food is.
The Submarine Service isn’t for everyone. But submariners are the best of the best of the best. Try it; I hope you get accepted young man.
I would be making an old and bad joke if I denigrated the fellow services, They are all good.
“I can’t speak for the other services, but we spend DAYS on training such as: Prevention of Sexual Harrassment, Consideration of Others, Equal Opportunity etc.etc. ”
Trust me, the USAF does the exact same shit. I can’t tell you how many sexual assault briefings I’ve been through. I always figured if a guy is a dipshit, some stupid skit or slide isn’t gonna change his mind.
The eiffel tower is also known as the Wobbly H.
I think the tower part comes from high fiving, not interlocking hands. Either way, you have to look into your buddy’s O-face so yeah not recommended.
I can’t remember if this has ever been discussed before, but what branch or division is the most “bad ass?” I mean, you’ve got Navy Seals, Green Berets, Marines, etc., who makes the bad guys shit the bed the most? Is there any kind of consensus on this?
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I joined the Army directly after college (OCS, etc.), and it happened to be during the Clinton admin. So, during my entire time in, we were essentially in peacetime mode (besides specialty missions like the Balkans and Somalia). People talk about the beauracratic BS during a time when we are fighting a war in two different places, just imagine how annoying, boring and mind numbing it can be when stuck stateside. That being said, I’m happy to have volunteered and served my country. That is something that nobody will ever be able to take away from you. If you happen to be in the service during peacetime it doesn’t make your service any less patriotic or admirable……..just bad (or good depending on your point of view) timing. My suggestion, if you want to the the grueling, hard, tough and phsyically as well as mentally challenging / rewarding experience…….join the Marines. If you want your experience to be more like the “real world”, join one of the other branches. You’ll probably have a better resume for the future and not put yourself through the struggle and self discovery. Me? I wish I joined the Corps and had that experience, instead of being a glorified babysitter for a bunch of incompetent 18, and 19 year olds who couldn’t find their own ass with both hands and a flashlight. Just my two cents.