New Orleans: It has “soul”, which is what white people call character, if character is infused with voodoo, jazz and dark skin. The Big Easy is rife with flaws, some merely depressing but most at least interesting. The city also has a compelling redemption story, which is linked inextricably to art forms, cuisine and other cultural rituals that either originated in or have come to define it. The locals also bond tightly over the Saints, a team whose rise would parallel their own, if only New Orleans got good as quickly as the Saints have.
Indianapolis: It has a good football team, which is celebrated by the local populace by appropriating another region’s signature icons and culture because Indianapolis lacks one of its own. Wave those Terrific Towels, everybody! You’re the 12th Man! A chain restaurant of your choice wants to host your Super Bowl party! They got sliders!
There may very well be less desirable places to live than Indianapolis, but you’d be hard pressed to find one that’s more bland or nondescript. For God’s sake, their governor is wagering that infernal shrimp cocktail AGAIN!
Meanwhile, the cities’ respective art museums (surprisingly, Indy’s isn’t only filled with TGI Friday’s wall decor) are engaged in an escalation of pretentious wagers during the early run-up to the championship. I think the New Orleans museum is just baiting Indy until they put up the world’s biggest ball of takeout menus.


Seriously, I think a lot of people have an inferiority complex about their cities. Trust me, no one in Indianapolis is envious of Cincinnati or Columbus. This is Generica, and if you go to any suburb across this country, you’ll see the same big box stores –Home Depot, Costco, etc. There is no way Indianapolis can compare with the great city of New Orleans when it comes to culture, heritage or history. New Orleans may be the most interesting large city in America.
On the other hand, Indianapolis is no worse than any other mid-sized city in America. We do have a fantastic art museum, which is rated as one of the top ten in the country for its collection. We do seriously lack a culinary tradition, but the shrimp cocktail sauce at St. Elmo’s is quite amazing. The old MNF crew always dropped in to try it when they could. Also, epicurious.com does indeed say the first breaded tenderloin was served in Indiana not Iowa.
The downtown is very walkable and there is quite a bit to do. We host the 2 largest single day sporting events in the world each year, so I think we do a pretty good job of it. We will never compete with New Orleans with our jazz heritage, but the Indiana Avenue jazz tradition was quite famous and featured some recognized greats like Freddie Hubbard, Noble Sissle, and Wes Montgomery to name a few.
In sum, I think it’s a fine city in its own right. It’s certainly not New Orleans, but some of the ignorant comments on here said a lot more about the posters prejudices and ignorance than it did about the City of Indianapolis.
At the end of the day the things said about this city are fairly accurate. Indy has had the luxury of having a good/great team for nearly 10 years now and the city is truly just learning FOOTBALL.
Indiana for years has been known for Racing and Basketball and although the fans are nearly clueless I will take it in stride as this city and state transfers from a basketball state to a football state.
Remember – the team has only been here for 25 years so the lifelong fans are only now getting to the point of going to games (20-30 years old).
Greatest thing from Indiana: Rick Mount -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fEreY3UcK0
Whole lotta butthurt in here.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/jets_fan_beaten_bloody_in_indy.html
Ooh, now the fat humps are copying tactics of Philly fans!
Indiana will hopefully be the first to go when the world starts to end. Swallowed into the earth by some sort of stygian death where no living thing can escape. And then I hope it’s bombed for good measure.
The whole place just takes the fun out of living. I don’t care if your football team wins a million games in a row or if your QB grows wings and shits money, you still make me want to sleep through Sunday when you’re on TV.
So please wipe the crumbs from your sweatsuit and wish you didn’t make Ohio seem like a beacon of awesomeness. Here’s hoping you’ll all get diabetes (which you will you sugar pie eating fucks.)
No one has mentioned the delicious meth cooked up all across Indiana.
Some thoughts on Indiana from a native:
http://comedians.jokes.com/jim-gaffigan/videos/jim-gaffigan—new-york-city
@Boss Godfrey: The fuck? You listed my residence and work city! Are you saying I’m dull and don’t know it???
/hoping no one answers that
@ BallsDeep – Thank you for summing that up quite nicely. Now, I kindly ask my fellow hoosiers to STFU and move on from an unwinnable culture debate.
@ Christmas Ape – I was already a bit bummed that I had to root against the Saints, but thanks for really hammering that angle home with those videos.
See, this is exactly why I wanted the Colts to meet the Vikings in the Super Bowl. The team personality of the Colts is so bland that their role (either hero or villian) is purely dictated by the stronger personality/identity of their opponent. If the Vikes were headed to Miami, I would revel in the role my team would play in the inevitable Favre/Chilly fail.
I’m a native Pittsburgher that lived in Indianapolis for 5 years and just moved away. It was a nice enough place to live, but truly lacks any defining character as many have pointed out.
A few things: St Elmo is a good place for a steak, but not even the best in town. The cocktail sauce is crazy hot with horseradish, which makes it a curiosity more than anything. They have it at the airport now, so you can just fly in try it and leave immediately.
We’ll all get a great judge of what Indianapolis has to offer when they host the Super Bowl in a few years and you get 2 weeks of columns from ESPN heads (Simmons mainly) bitching about how boring/cold it is.
Here I was thinking KSK was about football, but it’s a culture blog for the uncultured. It makes so much sense now.
BTW, Indy ballet > NO ballet, just saying…
Tripadvisor lists St. Elmo’s at the 8th best restaurant in Indianapolis.
Ahead of it is someplace called “Mug-n-Bun Drive-In Restaurant.”
Duller than Naptown:
Irvine, California
Anaheim, California
Actually, almost all of Orange County, California is pretty dull. And, just like Indy, the residents are not aware of it.
At least they’re not Detroit?
As a Panthers fan, I’m conflicted. Should I root for the Saints, a division rival, or the Colts, whose fan base are fat, whining humps?
@TSB Evidently, our major “culinary gift” to the world is breaded tenderloin. But keep on going with St. Elmo’s shrimp cocktail if you MUST.
So, you fat humps can’t enjoy a properly prepared steak, you have to bread it and deep fry it?
And for the record, fat humps, John Besh isn’t a franchise, but a chef.
Ugh! I have to go to Indy on a business trip the week after the Super Bowl. The city will be extremely douchey if they win, or even fatter, depressed, and surly if they lose. Either way, it’s not going to be good.
Then on to Columbus after that. Gah!
@milo
If they’re fresh gulf oysters, all you need is a little lemon and a glass of bourbon. Can I recommend the happy hour at Lüke, off St Charles and Canal St? It’s a John Besh restaurant, 25 cent oysters and half price drinks weekdays 2-7.
@ milo
It costs a lot to freeze shrimp, transport them across the country and then thaw them out.
expensive for the midwest, but considering good shrimp in boston is $3 per, i wouldn’t use that as a gauge. cocktail sauce is for bloody mary’s. whatever, done trashing humps. waste of time.
$14.95 for six shrimp at St. Elmo’s? I guess they are good. (Cocktail sauce is for oysters.)
@this site blows
“And, btw, if Indiana is “known” for something, it’s not shrimp cocktail. Evidently, our major “culinary gift” to the world is breaded tenderloin.”
Uh, I think you’re confusing yourself with Iowa–where the breaded tenderloin sandwich truly is an art form. Chalk that up to another thing that Indy stole from somewhere else in the country.
Now get back to Applebees, hump.
Also, fuck the Colts.
I just don’t get it TSB – it seems like you and all of your humps want us to like the city more than the Colts themselves.
That will never happen – especially if the best you can come up with is choo choo trains and breaded tenderloin.
It’s just remarkable that the Colts fans who come here really don’t get the site at all. Every team, every city, every fan is up for abuse, it’s what the site is for. Don’t like it, go to the espn site, plenty of handjobs given out over there.
“Evidently, our major “culinary gift” to the world is breaded tenderloin.”
Comedy gold right there.
To the Indy fans writing Hemingway novels defending your city: Allow me to show you how it’s done.
Tits. 24/7 bars. Mardi Gras. Crawfish.
Stop trying to polish the turd that is your city.
Pitt is that much better than Indy??? I mean, it’s better, but it’s better by enough for you to make such a large effort to trash it???
Well, I’m not from Pittsburgh, and I’ve done more than my fair share of trashing this place, but to answer your question: Yes. It’s much better than Indy.
and btw, NO ONE here calls Indianapolis “naptown”.
And by the way, NO ONE here gives two shits about what you do or do not call your crappy city. Thanks for the education though!
SHRIMP? FROM THE WHITE RIVER?
No, thanks; Wikipedia, “White River (Indiana)
“In 1997, the White River was listed as one of the United States’ most threatened rivers.
Pesticides (herbicides and insecticides) are used extensively in the White River basin. Application of herbicides to corn and soybeans accounts for most of the use. The pesticides most frequently detected near the mouth of the White River during 1991 – 1995 were the herbicides alachlor, atrazine, cyanazine and metolachlor.”
@ this site blows: So, NapTown USED to be important, railroads and such, and you think that’s awesome? Really?
Trains? LAME.
Wow. And I thought Torontonians had issues with misplaced civic pride slash inferiority complexes.
Hey Humps, I heard Jim Irsay called up Mayflower and asked about their rates to LA. Better check on that.
Gotta love how TSB decries how shitty KSK is yet won’t go away. I suppose that helps to explain how people get through living in Indiana.
Fat Humps continue to make our point for us. Maybe we should let them keep talking, it’s much easier that way.
/not you MB, you can continue to sit in the corner
I was saying “boo-urns”
@TSB 4 years of school at IU says otherwise… but whatever, probably an aberration.
Ape, you forgot to mention that you’re one of the reasons we all started hanging out here in the first place… Go Steelers, quit ya bitchin’ fat humps, and enjoy.
and btw, NO ONE here calls Indianapolis “naptown”.
@85
Pitt is that much better than Indy??? I mean, it’s better, but it’s better by enough for you to make such a large effort to trash it??? I think you’re showing your hand there, 85. Or maybe you’re from Barcelona…
oh and complete sentence fail for me, i think. capitalization fail as well.
@Shmohawk: Do us all a favor and actually GET cancer and die. fuck you, fat ass.
@The Rest of you: Just to educate you (because most of you are complete idiots), Indianapolis is called “The Crossroads of America” because, in the late 19th century, Indianapolis was the largest railroad hub in the country, providing access to most major lines from coast to coast. Our Union Station was the FIRST Union Station IN the Union. It has NOTHING to do with major highways.
Congrats. You MIGHT have learned something today.
And, btw, if Indiana is “known” for something, it’s not shrimp cocktail. Evidently, our major “culinary gift” to the world is breaded tenderloin. But keep on going with St. Elmo’s shrimp cocktail if you MUST.
FYI Fat Humps:
Cocktail sauce is WAY more than ketchup and horseradish. You must also include Worcestershire sauce and lemon juice.
And THIS is how we know your cocktail sauce sucks.
/New Orleanian who makes GREAT cocktail sauce for my berled shrimps
I get the hate for the Colts, it’s funny, but this whole Ape/Indy thing is kind of petty. Especially coming from a Pittsburgh fan who happens to be extremely thin-skinned & defensive about the things he likes.
Sure, I defended the Steelers from the “they only win because of the refs” BS. Then again, I also frequently make fun of the team and their fans. Not only that, I don’t write 6,000-word comments when Ufford or some other KSK writer hates on them. No Monkey Business am I.
And reducing it to me vs. Indy ignores the fact that no one here likes the Colts or wants them to win.
@ Abe-
Hell, if the Colts fans would realize that it’s freaking satire we could all move on. But since they want to play it straight…well, most of us commenters are a lot more hateful even than residents of the former capital of the Klan.
Is anyone arguing against the fact that New Orleans is a way cooler city? Indy’s actually a nice little city but is certainly nothing exciting.
I get the hate for the Colts, it’s funny, but this whole Ape/Indy thing is kind of petty. Especially coming from a Pittsburgh fan who happens to be extremely thin-skinned & defensive about the things he likes.
/not fixed
I would have stopped at the sixth word
However, Indy is still a hell of a town if you know where to go
/fixed
Having said that, New Orleans is a fine town…as long as you stay in the French Quarter. Otherwise, it’s a cesspool.
Know how I know you’re retarded?
@PigFace…It’s all good.
@Ghosts
Ah, ok just checking
Fuck…that should be Varsity…I’m not drunk, officer, I swear.
If the most legendary thing about the place is shrimp brought in from hundreds of miles away and fucking cocktail sauce, yeah, we’re going to mock it if it’s all they keep coming back to.
Not like there’s any famous independent restaurants in New Orleans either. Just ask Peter King – the MANNINGS eat there!
@inOhio-
It got mocked because, honestly, when I say shrimp, do YOU really think of Indy first? And as far as independent resturants go, I’d rather have the Beacon or the Varisty anyday.
All hatred towards the Colts with me start with their fanbase, and their long-winded leader, MB.
Fuck, how come you can’t make a short, concise point? Honestly, you fucking douchebag. All of you Colt douchers can lick Fetushead’s clit.
Because he’s a fucking pussy.
Should read, not repudiating the hate towards Indy….
I like how the original post mocks Indy for having too many chain restaurants, and then makes fun of the shrimp cocktail dish at one of the most legendary independent restaurants in the country. Not defending the hate towards Indy, but that’s douchery at its finest.
I’ve been to Indy and it is unremarkable at best. I have no urge to ever step foot there again.
New Orleans on the other hand, I would like drink myself into a stupor there every weekend if I could.
Monkey Business knows a great little Italian place on 38th. It’s called Olive Garden.
@PigFace-
Trust me, I know where Knights Stadium is…on fireworks nights I-77 turns into a parking lot. And that goes without saying.
@Ghosts
haha the best part is the Minor league baseball team “in” Charlotte actually plays in South Carolina. You forgot to mention about both cities……Douchebags-check.
Ya know, Indy IS a lot like Charlotte. Racetracks-check. Inferiority complex-check. Fat Humps-CHECK. Minor league baseball-check. Malls as cultural centers-check.
Indy has Peyton Manning and Charlotte has Jake Delhomme… only difference.
I do like how all humps are now showing up with the tourism spiel about their wondrous and unremarkable town. It’s like Parks & Rec come to life, if the show were never funny and the characters all talked for 48 minutes at a time.
Probably closer to professional baseball than the actual Pirates though.
And when I got drunk with the Triple A team’s mascot, he destroyed all the photo evidence.
However, Indy is still a hell of a town if you know where to go.
Yeah, like as far way from Indy as possible.
If your city needs a 55 page essay defending it as a great place to live…it probably sucks and resembles a hundred other faceless, lookalike, burgs all over America. Not a bad thing, just not noteworthy.
You have the Pirates’ Triple A affiliate. Checkmate.
Probably closer to professional baseball than the actual Pirates though.
/fuck baseball
@MB: WRITE. FUCKING. LESS.
We’ve got baseball in the summer.
You have the Pirates’ Triple A affiliate. Checkmate.
And maybe you all run into a different class of Hoosiers than I have, but I haven’t met many native Indy folk who won’t readily admit Naptown is, for the most part, aptly named, but I fail to see how that separates it from any number of midsized US cities, especially in the freaking Midwest.
Run-on sentence FAIL. You made our point for us, by the way. Indy is no different than any number of midsized Midwestern cities. And the other midsized Midwestern cities? Also boring, also entirely missable. The Fat Humps here aren’t the ones who admit that Indianapolis is boring. They’re the ones who talk up their cocktail sauce as though it weren’t ketchup and horseradish.
Big Chief Fat Hump reporting in. As much as I love reading people ripping on my city (and getting moderately disturbed by the poor quality of the comebacks), I thought I’d throw up some responses.
My biggest gripe with Indy is that it doesn’t have a lot of culture on it’s own. That being said, we do a pretty good job of adopting other people’s cultures. The only reason this town exists is because the state needed a capitol and we don’t really have any rivers, so they put it in the middle.
However, Indy is still a hell of a town if you know where to go. Rip on St. Elmo’s shrimp cocktail all you want, but it’s delicious. I’m proud to say no one mixes ketchup and horseradish better than us.
Come to town for the Final Four, the Big Ten Tournament, the Indy 500. The city rocks. We’ve got baseball in the summer. Football in the fall. Basketball in the winter. And the 500 in the spring. We’ve got a safe, clean, easily walkable downtown with plenty to do. Yeah, we’ve got chains, but so does everyone. When I have friends visit, I take them to the local joints. Yats. Mama Carolla’s. Brugge. Boogie Burger. Dagwoods. The places no one hears about.
I’m proud of my city. It’s come a long way, and it’s got a long way to go, but I love it here.
@fangirls on helium: Which part of the city are you in? I pass the IMA on my way to work every day.
The city of Indianapolis is probably the lamest place ever. I have never been there and have no desire to. I still want the Colts to win (and I am a Baltimore fan from Maryland)
Shrimp and grits>Indy’s shrimp cocktail (sauce and all)
Don’t mock the Indy Museum of Art’s Flair exhibit.
@wonderbread
I don’t care if its smothered in diamonds and gold leaf, it’s fucking shrimp and cocktail sauce. Your state’s culinary claim to fame is that you think you’re good at mixing ketchup and horseradish.
and oh yeah, paul shirley is right!!! fuck you, leftists.
what will the indy fans do tomorrow to make me hate their city and team more? every time they whine and cry and try to be funny, my hatred grows inside me like a cancer. fuck you, humps.