Dallas at NY Giants – The above video was shot before the first Cowboys-Giants game this season. At this point, I’m confident that Giants fans and fantasy owners are saying much worse about Brandon Jacobs.
Remember when Cowboys’ owner Jerry Jones was fined six figures for predicting the demise of revenue sharing? The NFL announced that the were canceling $100 million per year in revenue sharing payments that benefit small market teams. Looks like the Bengals will be serving Beenie Weenies in training camp next summer.
San Francisco at Seattle – The 49ers must win this game to keep their slim playoff hopes alive. Go Niners! Do it for Ape’s Dad!
San Diego at Cleveland – The Chargers own the month of December– undefeated in the month since the end of 2005. The Browns own nothing. This the final week of the regular season for many fantasy leagues. It must be great to be a Philip Rivers owner realizing that you get the Browns in the season finale.
Speaking of fantasy football, my absolutely least favorite scenario played out today during the New Orleans – Washington game. Drew Brees threw an interception, but during the return the Redskins fumbled. Robert Meacham recovered the ball and ran it in for a touchdown. Most fantasy leagues count this as a defensive touchdown for the Saints. This drives me batshizz crazy. I know the conventional argument in favor of such scoring, is “well, once Washington got the ball, New Orleans became the defense.” This is of course pure, illogical horseflop.
If New Orleans became the defense, then Washington became the offense. Yet if the Redskins had ran it back it would have counted as a DEFENSIVE touchdown. You can’t have two goddam defenses on the field at the same team time. I know that this phenomenon only occurs once every season or two, but it annoys the bejeezus out of me. So much so that my money league instituted the “Keenan McCardell Rule” which states when this happens, the defensive team owner is not awarded with a fluke touchdown — the vagaries of the NFL scoring system be damned.
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very amasing
thank you Mr GIANT :)
The Meachem TD worked some sweet irony in my league. One guy (we’ll call him THIS GUY) was playing another guy (THAT GUY); THIS GUY owns and started the NO defense; THAT GUY owns and started Meachem. THIS GUY won by 0.06 points, thanks entirely to one of his opponent’s players. (Also, Yahoo didn’t figure it all out until well after the game, meaning THAT GUY looked to have won handily until they changed the score late last night.) Luckily it was in a pretty irrelevant game, as THIS GUY already had a playoff spot locked up and was a strong favorite to finish first, and THAT GUY was already eliminated. Still, interesting. And stupid. Meachem’s owner should get the TD.
you can think of all post INT activity as a returning team and a non-returning team, AKA special teams
except that they’re not special teams
while I wouldn’t favor the rule that tiptoeburglar’s league, at least it addresses the situation, so everyone in that league knows in advance how such a play is scored– unlike the folks in the ESPN & Yahoo leagues who are getting hosed because of the uncertainty
“You can’t have two goddam defenses on the field at the same team.”
Assuming team = time … why not? You can have two “goddam” special teams units, but not defenses, all based on the nature of the play? Completely illogical and completely unnecessary, when you can have one clearly defined rule that encompasses every possible scenario.
[former] college kid hit the nail on the head.
The “Keenan McCardell Rule”, as worded in our league since 2003:
“On plays from scrimmage, the team in possession of the ball at the time of the snap will be considered the offense and the opposing team will be considered the Defense/Special Teams unit. However, as soon as the ball is either: a) intentionally punted or kicked in an effort to surrender possession or score a field goal, b) intercepted or c) fumbled and recovered by the opposing team; BOTH teams will be considered Defense/Special Teams units for the remainder of the play. On kickoffs, BOTH teams are considered Defense/Special Teams units from the onset of the play (kick).”
It must be great to be a Philip Rivers owner realizing that you get the Browns in the season finale.
Indeed (taps fingertips together)… although our season finale isn’t until next week.
/also glad I started Garcon instead of Chambers this week
I have to argue with flubby here by providing this counterexample:
If a team returns a punt or a kickoff for a touchdown, that generally is awarded as a defensive touchdown. But if the returner fumbles and that fumble is returned for an opposing touchdown, that the opposing defense gets a TD. Therefore, 2 defenses on the field at the same time (or, more accurately, 2 special teams). If it makes you feel better, you can think of all post INT activity as a returning team and a non-returning team, AKA special teams.
That Ivy League prick-jerking O-Coordinator is already measuring Wade’s office to see where he’ll hang his beloved Princeton degree.
/self-hating Ivy Leaguer
//Princetonians are fags. Go HARVARD!
Red Zone absolutely rules.
As the Christmas lights go up the Cowboys go down like $2 Hunts Point crack whores.
Tony Romo is in fact a bitch.
Wade Phillips is attacking melty Kit Kats by the dozen as his flight from Newark departs for Dallas. Why the eff is this corpulent buffoon an NFL coach?
happy december fuckaaassssss
Yes, Tony Romo is a bitch. All he did was throw for 390 and 3 TD’s. I wasn’t aware he played on that suck ass defense or special teams or was that suck ass kicker.
And Dungy..WTF has Raheem Morris done to make us think HE deserves an NFL job?
Oh damn, the NCAA is racist! The NFL, lead by the Rooney’s is perfect.
@Paul-God: Ask Jaws what the average eye discipline is of all the guests.
Hey Tony Romo,
What month is it? That’s right bitch, December!
It’s rough being a Cowboys fan. Probably for Pats and Steelers fans too today. Fuck.
Really hard to believe the “keenan mccardell references” tag has never been used before. Great obscure reference. Lofty obscure reference.
Right now I’m as high as a diabetic at Willy Wonka’s factory.
Holee shit!
That’s a helluva kicker the Cowboys got.
Fantasy football talk is highly amusing. Here we go GIANTS!
I think Yahoo handled the situation correctly. StatTracker has it listed as an Offensive Fumble Return for TD. My league has a somewhat similar rule, except it pertains to any player who scores a TD, Defensive or Offensive.
Couple of years back, when Burleson was with the Vikings, he returned a TD on a punt in our leagues championship game. The points were awarded to the defense, but Burleson wasn’t given anything for the TD, even though he was the one to return it, and it affected the outcome as the person who had Burleson lost by 4 to the team that had the Vikings D in the championship. It was a total disaster. The next year we installed the “Burleson Rule” where regardless of position if you score 6 points by crossing the end zone or throwing a pass for 6 you receive 6 points in fantasy. Kickers, WR’s on special teams, and now of course, the Meachem play all count if they add six to the board.
Full Disclosure: I have Meachem starting. I also was the Burleson owner who lost 400 bucks thanks to that bullshit.
Yahoo! has it scored as “1 Off Fum Ret TD”, so somebody there understands the concept. I can’t (well, I CAN) believe the WWL doesn’t know where their heads are at.
CBS Sportsline didnt giv the Saints a defensive TD.
“I WILL HIT BRANDON JACOBS SO HARD HE TALKS FUNNY!”
i spelled that rong
I hear that guy’s YouTube-dad just got his own sitcom on CBS.
Because I am inebriated
The redzone did for TV what KSK did for blogs. I hope that made sense
Oh noes, it’s Joe Buck and the Concussion Kid!
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Fairbanks, if that explanation is correct, that would mean that both teams are on defense at the same time (since Washington would have been awarded a defensive TD had they ran in the INT for a TD). That is some bullamashit.
Viva the Keenan McCardell Rule!!!
I been down so long,I don’t which way is up.
@Paul – someone already said it but I think it would be funny as hell if you referred to everyone as THIS GUY, and when Stu Scott looks at you and says something look at him and then ask if he is talking to you (while glancing back over your shoulder)
And Fox cut away from a bench clearing altercation between the Giants and the Cowboys. Can they do anything right?
Show the god damn fight… fucking shitty ass FOX.
Outstanding posse discipline in that video. One word fillers without talking over pops.
Also, “I’d fuck B Jacobs up right now, not like this ’cause he’d fuck me up, I mean with a bat or something.”
/cheer
Ahmad Bradshaw got trapped in the backfield, and decides to just drop the football. Good plan.
The Eagles offense sure ran wildcat against Atlanta. I don’t think Michael Vick ever, in his wildestcat dreams, expected to account for two touchdowns today. They’ve got a great shot at a wildcardcat spot now.
Spend the night jumping back and forth between Stu Scotts two lines of sight.
@ Paul-God
Ask Stu Scott just who the hell he’s talking to, but don’t mention his lazy eye.
“I call THAT GUY the WAITER, because he WAITS on tables!”
“You have tremendous FORK DISCIPLINE!”
@Paul-God
“I can’t believe I’m actually here with THIS GUY, THIS GUY, and THAT GUY!”
Paul, just spend the afternoon subtlely mocking Jaws for being a master of the obvious, loud, and repeated.
“Scuse me Mr. Jaws, could you pass the SALT? Don’t you think SALT is just THE MVP of CONDIMENTS!?! It’s just having fun out there on my plate.”
Redskins got robbed. If that Sellers pass had been in the endzone it would have been incomplete.
Ask Steve Young if he resides in Newport Beach or thereabouts, I heard that he shops out at Fashion Island.
If he does you can BS with him for awhile about the cost of living in Orange County.
I’d vote that the defense still gets the takeaway, but they also get charged with a fumble loss, and the offensive player gets credited with a reception with yards accruing beginning at the point of the takeaway.
No questions, Paul. But if I were you, I’d insist on saying “the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE!” as much as possible.
Yahoo! scored the TD correctly. I was impressed!
So, tomorrow I get to have lunch with the ESPN Crew here in Green Bay. Shit you not, my brother works for Time Warner Cable, and won a lunch on Monday afternoon with Jaws, Gruden, Steve Young, Stu Scott… And my brother chose to take me! Wow, way to go little brother!
What I want to know, got any questions you’d like me to ask them?
Then who owns the touchdown? Robert Meachem?
Correct.
Can someone explain to me the logic behind having Frank Gore and laying the burden of carrying the team on the shoulders of Alex Smith at the 1 yard line?
ZORN!