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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll note by the way they refer to it as a &quot;payroll cap.&quot; That&#039;s because that is what we are talking about. We are not discussing a salary cap.  Matt Stafford, Eli Manning, and LeBron James are all well aware that players still get an ok salary in today&#039;s pro leagues. The top flight players will , and do, still get paid. The players hurt are the midrange vets who will be dropped for an endless supply of cheap young rookie talent. 

A &quot;salary cap&quot; is a cap on payroll. It is collusion among owners to keep their labor costs below a certain level. It is not a salary cap.

Oh and Costas is a douche that does nothing more than kiss owner ass. Oh, well, Bobby&#039;s gotta pay the bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll note by the way they refer to it as a &#8220;payroll cap.&#8221; That&#8217;s because that is what we are talking about. We are not discussing a salary cap.  Matt Stafford, Eli Manning, and LeBron James are all well aware that players still get an ok salary in today&#8217;s pro leagues. The top flight players will , and do, still get paid. The players hurt are the midrange vets who will be dropped for an endless supply of cheap young rookie talent. </p>
<p>A &#8220;salary cap&#8221; is a cap on payroll. It is collusion among owners to keep their labor costs below a certain level. It is not a salary cap.</p>
<p>Oh and Costas is a douche that does nothing more than kiss owner ass. Oh, well, Bobby&#8217;s gotta pay the bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AJ:

Assuming you are a Cleveland fan and not an Indians one, $10 bucks says your Injuns make another WS (like the one they made a bit over 10 years back) before the Browns make their first SB. By the way, the fact that the Pirates haven&#039;t made the playoffs in 17 year isn&#039;t an argument for a cap. It&#039;s an argument for diluting the playoffs the way the other sports have. Just follow the NBA model and let half the league play in the post season. No team will ever have a long drought again!

There is a revenue sharing agreement in place in MLB today. It&#039;s called the luxury tax. It&#039;s been in place since something like 2001. 

I&#039;d like to believe that if MLB just handed low revenue teams $$, they would spend it on player payroll. I really would. unfortunately, I&#039;ve seen the way thee owners work. What they will do is take NY&#039;s money and dump even more players, then turn a 40 million profit despite drawing 5,000 a game because their entire facility is state subsidized. And a cap will make no difference. It&#039;s not like they are even remotely close to having it affect them.

As far as salary caps on competitive balance, the examples are multifold of why it does not work. 

There is a FAR greater disparity between the top and bottom in the NBA or NFL than MLB (name me the last MLB team that went winless). NBA teams regularly when 65-70 games, which is the equivalent of a 140 win season. The worst NFL/NBA teams win at around a .250 clip in a good year, again far worse than MLB. In both cases what is a common occurrence that happens several times a year in the NBA or NFL has happened in single digits in the history of the sport for baseball.

I know, I know, &quot;but baseball has a longer season. Plus it&#039;s just inherently more random.&quot;So let&#039;s compare the same sports pre and post cap. Both basketball and football were more competitive before they instituted a cap (link at end of post).  I am telling you guys that there has never been an example of a league that increased competitiveness by instituting a cap. The NFL is less competitive today than it was in the &#039;70&#039;s.

The salary cap does one thing. Makes billionaires richer by colluding to deny millionaires a few more million. It does not affect the price of a game (is the NFL cheaper or more expensive for you today than it used to be?) It does not affect balance (were the Browns/Lions/Chiefs better pre or post cap?) I am not going to fall for that crap just &#039;cuz Bud Selig (who oh so coincidentally stands to make millions as an owner if a cap is instituted) tells me it has to happen. If it&#039;s that hard to be competitive, sell the damn team and stop begging for money on street corners in other towns.

The quoted text is from a book by seeral Stanford Economits called &quot;The Wages of Wins.&quot; So that they don&#039;t look like total gibberish, know that the Null-Scully Index measures the difference in a league&#039;s performance from a perfect mean where everyone goes .500 and a league is perfectly balanced. The higher the number, the less competitive the league.

&quot;From 1992 to 2005, the Noll-Scully measure in the NFL was 1.483.  From 1976 to 1991 the Noll-Scully was 1.487.  In simple words, competitive balance did not improve in the NFL with the institution of the cap on payrolls.

How about a bit more perspective?  The NBA shares television revenue, like the NFL, and also has a cap on payrolls.  The NBA even adds a cap on individual salaries.  But relative to both versions of football, the NBA is not competitively balanced.  The average Noll-Scully from the 1976-77 season to 2005-06 in the NBA was 2.70. &quot;

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2006/05/20/nfl-institutional-policy-and-competitive-balance/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AJ:</p>
<p>Assuming you are a Cleveland fan and not an Indians one, $10 bucks says your Injuns make another WS (like the one they made a bit over 10 years back) before the Browns make their first SB. By the way, the fact that the Pirates haven&#8217;t made the playoffs in 17 year isn&#8217;t an argument for a cap. It&#8217;s an argument for diluting the playoffs the way the other sports have. Just follow the NBA model and let half the league play in the post season. No team will ever have a long drought again!</p>
<p>There is a revenue sharing agreement in place in MLB today. It&#8217;s called the luxury tax. It&#8217;s been in place since something like 2001. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to believe that if MLB just handed low revenue teams $$, they would spend it on player payroll. I really would. unfortunately, I&#8217;ve seen the way thee owners work. What they will do is take NY&#8217;s money and dump even more players, then turn a 40 million profit despite drawing 5,000 a game because their entire facility is state subsidized. And a cap will make no difference. It&#8217;s not like they are even remotely close to having it affect them.</p>
<p>As far as salary caps on competitive balance, the examples are multifold of why it does not work. </p>
<p>There is a FAR greater disparity between the top and bottom in the NBA or NFL than MLB (name me the last MLB team that went winless). NBA teams regularly when 65-70 games, which is the equivalent of a 140 win season. The worst NFL/NBA teams win at around a .250 clip in a good year, again far worse than MLB. In both cases what is a common occurrence that happens several times a year in the NBA or NFL has happened in single digits in the history of the sport for baseball.</p>
<p>I know, I know, &#8220;but baseball has a longer season. Plus it&#8217;s just inherently more random.&#8221;So let&#8217;s compare the same sports pre and post cap. Both basketball and football were more competitive before they instituted a cap (link at end of post).  I am telling you guys that there has never been an example of a league that increased competitiveness by instituting a cap. The NFL is less competitive today than it was in the &#8217;70&#8242;s.</p>
<p>The salary cap does one thing. Makes billionaires richer by colluding to deny millionaires a few more million. It does not affect the price of a game (is the NFL cheaper or more expensive for you today than it used to be?) It does not affect balance (were the Browns/Lions/Chiefs better pre or post cap?) I am not going to fall for that crap just &#8216;cuz Bud Selig (who oh so coincidentally stands to make millions as an owner if a cap is instituted) tells me it has to happen. If it&#8217;s that hard to be competitive, sell the damn team and stop begging for money on street corners in other towns.</p>
<p>The quoted text is from a book by seeral Stanford Economits called &#8220;The Wages of Wins.&#8221; So that they don&#8217;t look like total gibberish, know that the Null-Scully Index measures the difference in a league&#8217;s performance from a perfect mean where everyone goes .500 and a league is perfectly balanced. The higher the number, the less competitive the league.</p>
<p>&#8220;From 1992 to 2005, the Noll-Scully measure in the NFL was 1.483.  From 1976 to 1991 the Noll-Scully was 1.487.  In simple words, competitive balance did not improve in the NFL with the institution of the cap on payrolls.</p>
<p>How about a bit more perspective?  The NBA shares television revenue, like the NFL, and also has a cap on payrolls.  The NBA even adds a cap on individual salaries.  But relative to both versions of football, the NBA is not competitively balanced.  The average Noll-Scully from the 1976-77 season to 2005-06 in the NBA was 2.70. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://dberri.wordpress.com/2006/05/20/nfl-institutional-policy-and-competitive-balance/" rel="nofollow">http://dberri.wordpress.com/2006/05/20/nfl-institutional-policy-and-competitive-balance/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rocco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rocco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the Costas hate, I think his book Fair Ball is a great read regarding the issues in baseball, especially the lack of cap system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the Costas hate, I think his book Fair Ball is a great read regarding the issues in baseball, especially the lack of cap system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerricho Crotchgrabbery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerricho Crotchgrabbery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After seeing the lead picture I thought this would be an Emo Eagles post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After seeing the lead picture I thought this would be an Emo Eagles post.</p>
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		<title>By: suzysmyho</title>
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		<dc:creator>suzysmyho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Football is also more popular than baseball because 9 out of 10 southern rednecks prefers football.

No, that’s why college football is popular.

FIX YO RETARDED ARGUMENTS!&quot;

And that&#039;s why Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Tennessee, and Carolina all have thriving pro football franchises and Los Angeles doesn&#039;t even have it&#039;s own team?  

Redneck America loves 2 thing Football (whether it&#039;s college or pro) and Nascar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Football is also more popular than baseball because 9 out of 10 southern rednecks prefers football.</p>
<p>No, that’s why college football is popular.</p>
<p>FIX YO RETARDED ARGUMENTS!&#8221;</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Tennessee, and Carolina all have thriving pro football franchises and Los Angeles doesn&#8217;t even have it&#8217;s own team?  </p>
<p>Redneck America loves 2 thing Football (whether it&#8217;s college or pro) and Nascar.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Steve Brule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Steve Brule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gino - I love Foxy Boxing!  It combines my two favorite things: boxing, and referees.


I like baseball and football equally.  I find the ensuing butt-hurt in the comments from the football-worshipping jamooks and the whiny, insecure baseball fans hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gino &#8211; I love Foxy Boxing!  It combines my two favorite things: boxing, and referees.</p>
<p>I like baseball and football equally.  I find the ensuing butt-hurt in the comments from the football-worshipping jamooks and the whiny, insecure baseball fans hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim the Enchanter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim the Enchanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What city IS Ape from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What city IS Ape from?</p>
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		<title>By: the_butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>the_butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Longest comments ever on this site.  You should post about religion tomorrow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longest comments ever on this site.  You should post about religion tomorrow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rodgers_neighborhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodgers_neighborhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ AJ: At least you have an autumn of Brady to look forward to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ AJ: At least you have an autumn of Brady to look forward to.</p>
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