
I’d like to take a time out from the continuing horror that is life without football to issue the following FKS-style rant.
I FUCKING HATE GROUP DINNERS.
Let me tell you something. There is no way to enter into a group dinner without somehow managing to get completely fucked. Take it from someone who knows. Group dinners are usually arranged by a female, usually a friend of some girl you’re trying to nail. And that friend will pick a restaurant without any fucking regard as to where you live or what your salary is. “Oooh, there’s a hot new restaurant on Ellis Island that only serves caviar and Kobe beef! Let’s go there!”
The restaurant will be loud. You won’t be able to hear a goddamn thing. And you will be seated, invariably, next to most socially awkward people at the table. You’ll crane your neck to look down the table, seeing the people at the other end engaged in a compelling conversation. Meanwhile, you’re stuck with some asshole who’s talking about the repairs he’s making to his fucking house. I’m 31 now. People my age talk about their fucking houses ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.
“Well, when we moved in, the basement was just a wreck! So we wanted to install carpet and maybe add a sectional. But then the contractor had to rip out all this mold! And you wouldn’t believe how much the plumber wanted to charge to install a half-bathroom! There’s also been a history of flooding down there, you know…”
DIE.
The only thing worse than people talking about their kids, or their jobs, is them talking about their fucking houses. I don’t give a fuck about your house. It’s just another fucking house like every other house. It’s got a bed, a kitchen, a TV, and your stash of child porn hidden in the attic. BOTTLE IT, FUCKO.
The worst part of a group dinner is that I can’t order my own shit. No, they gotta order apps “for the whole table”. Did I want artichoke dip? No, I did not. Artichoke dip is fucking horrible. One time I went to a group dinner and the “host” ordered apps and entrees for everyone WITHOUT FUCKING ASKING ANYONE WHAT THEY WANTED. Hey cockhead, did I ask for stewed chickpeas? Take this and shove it up your gaping asshole.
Ever have to go to a group dinner at a tapas restaurant? It’s agony. You order a shrimp app, and they bring out 5 shrimp for a fucking table of 8. I’ve gone to tapas restaurants, plunked down $45, and taken a grand total of five bites. Hey Spain, if you want to starve to death, you go right ahead. The rest of us like fucking eating more than a pea for dinner. You bullfighting queers. Mata-WHORES.
The disparity in consumption also outrages me. I order a $5 beer. The jackass across the way orders a fucking $17 appletini. Or some bitch always ALWAYS orders a pitcher of sangria. If there’s white sangria on the menu for $10 more, they’ll order that. They’ll order it “for the table”. Ever pour a pitcher of anything for eight people? You get three milliliters of fluid. FUCK YOUR FRUITY WINE DRINK.
If everyone’s having just entrees, some moron will always fuck it up by ordering an app, thus driving up the tab AND making the rest of the table wait longer for the goddamn food. If I order a $15 entrée, someone else will invariably order the Chateaubriand with foie gras. No one wants to stick around for dessert, but some idiot will always pipe up, “Ooh! I just HAVE to look at the dessert menu!”
And once the tab arrives, it’s automatically assumed that the tab be SPLIT EQUALLY. Hey host lady. You see those seven daiquiris on the tab? Those are your problem. I’m not paying for that shit. Yet if I bitch about this, I’m somehow a cheap asshole. What the fuck?
Worst of all, when the tab arrives, someone ends up having to do the math to figure out how much everyone owes plus tip. Only they have to make sure Jimmy only pays for his drinks, because he showed up late and didn’t eat anything. Then that person’s gotta explain it all to the waiter, only the waiter is nowhere to be found, so they have to explain it to the busboy, who only speaks a rare Peruvian dialect.
And guess who always gets stuck with this task?
And for you people who like to order coffee at the end of a meal: EAT A PILE OF SHIT. It’s 10PM. What the fuck do you need coffee for? Order a straight bourbon like the rest of the civilized world. When I go to a group dinner, I am ALWAYS the first person to stand up, as a way of signaling to people that it’s time to end the meal. Otherwise, people just sit there for time eternal. God dammit.
No more group dinners, people. Okay? If you want to eat in large groups, throw a Bar Mitzvah. Otherwise, we’re all going to Super Chicken. Pay at the register for your own crap. Shithead.
Group dinners are worse than the Holocaust.


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YOU ARE A DOUCHE BAG.
Sit at home and eat some top ramen. No one cares that you are angry.
My favorite is when I show up ON TIME to these hellish group dinners with my boyfriend’s family but all those f@ckers are chronically LATE. It doesn’t mater how early you tell them to arrive, they always show 2 hours after you wanted out of there but I’M rude for suggesting that we actually order food and eat instead of occupying the poor waitress’ table for 6 hours at a time while she asks if we’re ready to order 27 times an hour and the constant answer is no, of course not, we just want to sit here and pretend that i’m not wanting to SLIT THEIR THROATS when they finally arrive.
Ya know, I feel for you. I’ve been to crap events like this too.
Although I must admit that my faggoty ass likes artichoke dip. Sorry.
Just don’t fucking go to dinners like this anymore. Haven’t you learned to say no? There are plenty of other ways of telling someone happy birthday. Buy them at $30 gift, and stay home and eat popeyes and drink beer. Duh. Tell them you think you’re coming down with a cold, and you don’t want to get everyone else sick.
rule #1: practice saying no
rule #2: don’t practice making yourself angry since you’ll get good at it
Really. Life is short. Don’t fuck it up.
@ Chris
VT offseason updates? Constant empty yammering about Brett Farve? That’s what you think passes for football? That’s like eating a week old turkey sandwich and calling in Thanksgiving dinner.
The best part of the post is the picture with the guy in the middle…..he knows he is totally fucked sitting amongst all these gaping assholes
“I’d like to take a time out from the continuing horror that is life without football…”
there is no such thing as life without football. there is a story about the eagles every day in the philly paper. nfl live is on every day. try going three days without hearing the words “brett favre”. every sports radio show in america talks about the nfl daily. i get VT football updates by email at least weekly. the arena league is in the middle of their playoffs and i only know this because i have come across like three games in the past few weeks while flipping channels. both my fantasy leagues have already begun. there is no way to escape football for the average american man. why don’t you do a story about the ubiquity of football? oh, i know, because it would last two words: “its awesome.” moron.
I hear your pain, but cursing and making stupid vulgar remarks makes you sound infantile. You’re 31, and yet you sound like you’re 13. I agree with you about most of the stuff except the cursing and the coffee. I drink coffee when I eat dinner at 6 like alot of people and am tired because I worked and the meal made me drowsy but I don’t necessarily want to sleep an hour or 2 later. I might want to sleep at midnight.
the us would have no energy problem if we could harness the rage so consistently displayed on ksk.
this leads me to wonder: with so many people expressing such molten disdain for group dinners, why do any of you ever participate?
you have no problem going clear channel here with your acidic hatred for every aspect of these fucking useless experiences. with that acknowledged, what’s stopping you from looking at the person extending the invite and replying, FUCK. AND NO (or a suitably vanilla substitute)?
life’s too goddam short to stand on social convention or the (for me) statistically insignificant prospect of getting laid by any of the appropriate attendees. suck it up, live up to your principles, and bow out of the sam’s wholesale club reenactment of the last supper.
whining – just say no.
but thank all who posted for the encyclopedic expositon of how these things incomparably suck from every conceivable angle.
Fuckin’ artichoke dip. It’s a bowl full of melted cream cheese that costs $7.95. Fuck that shit.
20%? I’m sorry, but I worked in restaurants when I was younger, and your getting the 15% base and liking it.
That guy is a total douche if he’s getting someone to “rip out all this mold” bleach would do just fine …
/Just saying …
Group dinners are worse than the Holocaust.
Nah, group dinners actually happened.
Also the truly exceptional and career servers never usually have to worry about tips because they deliver excellent service. I can’t stand the inattentive fuckheads who can barely get my food to the table and then think they are getting jobbed if they don’t get better than 20% everytime. Those are the ones who need to be weeded out by HellzBellz and Shakey.
Tipping also fluctuates depending on the establishment and what you ordered.
Standards when seated at a restaurant:
10% wine/liquor
15% food (at your low to mid class)
18% food (mid to high class)
20% food (high class)
The tip increases as the quality of the restaurant increases because, as mentioned earlier, the server has an increasing number of people to tip out. Bartender, busser, hostess, service captain, sommelier. Also, some places determine tip based on total sales not what the server says is total tips. It is completely feasible for a server to owe up to 10% or so of sales to various co-workers. That means only half of the 20% you leave actually stays with the server. You start dipping under that and the server starts to actually lose money on the night. Of course, any server who is working at 5* place knows his shit and is only stiffed by complete douchebags.
Also, in finer establishments, the bigger prices usually mean longer stays for the guests. You don’t really turn your tables as often as the schmuck at TGIFriday’s who will have the same table resat 7 times in a night. Therefore, the tips need to be more consistent. Because if you only have a handful of tables and some assclown doesn’t tip it really brings down the averages.
Sorry for the essay but I really miss the restaurant business. Stupid degree and office job. I actually make less know than I did at my last restaurant gig (upscale French Bistro adored by the yuppie crowd).
Yeah, and I knew plenty of waiters/waitresses who worked one night a week and made more in tax free tips than I made by working 40+ hours of my equally shitty, non-tipped job. A tip is an extra reward on quality service, not a sales commission. Don’t like it? Get a job with a guaranteed wage. Expecting 20% (fuck, I remember when 10% was normal) for doing your minimum job is total bunk.
I worked at a minimum wage job with no tips, and had to pay my own insurance. I still had the same shitty customers to deal with. Let me play my small violin for those who got extra cash tips out of it.
*disorder
smurphette- Yeah, that was the place.
Another thing: the chick who orders appetizers “for the table” is usually the skinniest one there, and it means of course that she won’t eat any herself, and then I start to wonder what isorder she has. :/
And seriously, always get your own shit at Tapas restaurants and don’t share. 3 of those tiny-ass portions and you’ll be set… and fucked over by the price.
At my restaurant we were “audited” by management if we didn’t claim at least 10% of our recorded sales each night. That was great, when after a shit night of families and group dinners – claiming 10% when I really only walked with 8%. This wouldn’t be such a good rant if I said that it ends up evening out with the good days, but it does. And yeah, I made $2.65 an hour, and ended up getting billed for my fucking insurance each month because my checks didn’t cover it.
A little secret for people that have douchebags that claim “I only have a credit card”. Most restaurant POS’s have the ability to put specific amounts on each credit card. So tell that fucker to tell the server to put his share on his credit card – it’s not that hard. As a server, I’d rather do that than determine who the fuck had the steak, frozen margarita, and desert.
Oh and by the way – a big FUCK YOU to you group dinners that decide to stay 30 minutes after you pay to talk about your fucking houses. LEAVE. I had some asshole sit at my table for SEVEN HOURS. I hate you.
Regardless of where you stand on the tip situation…is it just me or should restaurant owners be paying their employees better? I mean, why are they getting a free pass in this discussion?
Why is it just assumed to be OK that they can pay their waiters $2.13 an hour and that people must tip 30% to make up for their shitty business model?
I worked long, shitty, HOT hours in concessions at Jones Beach YEARS ago and still made nearly $7.00 an hour.
For those who think waiters don’t pay taxes, you are delusional. 90% of payments are in Credit Card form, which is pretty easy to verify. In Texas, they make $2.13 an hour. I usually had to pay my restaurant on “payday” to cover the cost of my health insurance since my shit ass check didn’t even cover THAT. I was lucky by the way, since many restaurants don’t even offer such a benefit.
Why you are required to tip 20%:
Waiters must tip out bartenders, bussers, hostesses, and food runners off of their tips. When you tip 10%, you cost them money. No waiter wants to pay money to hand you a fucking hockey puck because you don’t like the sight of blood.
Don’t like blood?
DON’T ORDER MEAT.
And yes, the assholes who order well done are the ones who don’t tip. As are the dicks who say “normally I tip 200%, but this guy talked a lot, so he gets $2.50.” “Normally” doesn’t mean the one time you were trying to get some from your hired escort asshole.
Sushi is not food. Any girl who wants to go out for sushi has two strikes against her. If I don’t see her tuna roll she’s done.
I have to go to a group sushi dinner this weekend. Sushi is as bad as tapas — somebody besides me always chooses the food, and I get to pay extra for the privilege. Add in the fact that it’s a birthday dinner with some (fellow) math-challenged girlfriends and I’m looking at a royal screwin’.
@Ben: Was the restaurant called Lauriol Plaza? Be glad you went somewhere else. The queso dip is amazing (especially when I’m hungover), but the rest of the food blows. And if you weren’t old enough to enjoy the margaritas, then it really wasn’t worth your time.
damn.. am i too late to say fuck you mastershaky?
And for the record, there was a time when 10% tip was standard in the US. Then it crept up to 15%. Now, apparently, it has crept up to 20%.
By the time your children retire, the standard tip will be 60%, and anyone who tips 55% will be considered a cheap ass bitch who deserves no respect.
And there will be no minimum wage for servers. Rather, servers will have to kick back to the restaurant owners, just like strippers do at strip clubs nowadays.
Wow, I had no idea that this problem was so prevalent. I’m suddenly actually happy to be an introvert with no social skills.
to be fair, i also thought 15% was the standard. that’s what i tip my mom when she brings me down a bowl of spaghettios.
Most. Non-Draft. Post. EVAR???
Ahem…Also, beware of Canadians?
Thank you guys for letting that one go.
Regular service is 15% tip. Always has been.
Really? Did you get that straight from the Burning Bush, Moses?
“And for you people who like to order coffee at the end of a meal: EAT A PILE OF SHIT. It’s 10PM. What the fuck do you need coffee for? Order a straight bourbon like the rest of the civilized world.”
Fucking Amen.
Tip me well, get the FUCK OUT of the restaurant and go bang that hot bitch whose tits I’ve been staring at all night you filthy white bastards.
I make a good living and I think I live a pretty good life. But for some reason everytime I go to one of these things I feel like I should be outside looking for chicken wings in a fucking garbage can. They make me feel like the poorest of the poorest.
It happens every time.
Wow. Most times it bums me out that my only friends are my stuffed animals, but rants like this make me feel a damn sight better.
Since this is a real bitchfest, I want to call out you fuckers who “always” tip 20% or the cocksuckers who think 20% is automatic all because you were or you know someone who was a waiter. You can go ahead and tip 20%, I’m tipping 15%. I dont care if your sister had to pay her way to college on her lowly tips. I don’t need need your pissy lectures when it comes time to split a check. Regular service is 15% tip. Always has been. You give me a reach around you get 20%.
If your book reads like that rant you just sold another copy.
IT DOES! BUY THE FUCKER!
Excellent idea, Grimey.
But those miserly fuckers are never coming near my house. They’d probably try to steal the copper pipes and sell them, Bubbles-style.
There are a lot of shitty jobs, and the majority don’t get to add on a tax free cash tip at the end of the shift.
It’s not tax free. The government taxes wait staff on the assumption that customers aren’t fucking assholes and are tipping them like grown-ups. Back in the Stone Age, the tax was based on something like 8% of their recorded sales.
And again, the base hourly rate is something like half of minimum wage. After FICA and all the other bullshit added in, the take-home pay was almost negligible. I had one week waiting tables where I’d pulled five dinner shifts and my net paycheck was a whopping $5.
So it’s not just that non-tippers are rude. They’re basically taking money away from the waiter.
RE mamacita Says:
“No, worse than people talking about their kids or their houses is when they talk about the schools, which combines the dullness of their kids PLUS their houses and MULTIPLIES it.”
Agreed.
Last summer when I was living in DC, one girl decided she wanted to get together every person she had met that summer for a big group dinner. So we go to this Mexican place that apparently has great food, and of course no one’s made a reservation and there are about 15 of us. So we’re stuck there waiting for a table for hours, and of course I’m fucking starving. And since I was 20 I couldn’t even take advantage of the bar. Then one guy says his credit card can get us a table faster, but after he talks to some people in the restaurant for 15 minutes, nothing happens. Finally after almost an hour and a half, my friend, his girlfriend and I decide to ditch the group and head to a small Thai restaurant up the street, get served right away. Great decision.
If your book reads like that rant you just sold another copy.
By the way, Otto… you should invite those bachelor party guys over to your house sometime to watch football, and then ask them to help you pay your rent
Wait, so we have all these people talking about how shitty it is being a waiter/waitress, yet the next post is about how much more money you make doing it and all the benefits that go with it (drunk hot co-workers)? Fuck that. There are a lot of shitty jobs, and the majority don’t get to add on a tax free cash tip at the end of the shift. I don’t believe in tacking on an extra 20% to someone that does the bare minimum requirement for their job, let alone someone who does it poorly.
I don’t understand this “splitting a check evenly” bullshit. Is this some Yankee thing? I live and work in the Dallas area and we always pay for what we ordered. If someone wants a steak, they order it and pay for it themselves, they don’t expect everyone else to subsidize it.
Almost every restaurant we go to for our office group lunches has no problem giving us separate checks. Yeah, it takes a little longer to get and pay the checks, but by that time, we’ve eaten, we’re cool and not usually in a huge hurry to get back to the office.
And people with two first names. And Argentines (sorry futuremrs.)
And old people.
And Philadelphians.
Also, beware of Canadians.
even as someone who’s worked every shit job there is (waiter, bartender, pizza fucking delivery) you can’t deny what a horseshit racket tipping is for employers. They pay slave wages and demand the clientele to make up the difference. Yea the guy who leaves 2 bucks on a 40 dollar tip is a dick, but the bigger one is your boss who hired you for 3 dollars an hour. Misplaced hate.
great post. One additional note.
If there are 5 or more guys trying to divide up the check someone always gets f#cked.
If it is 3 or more including at least one woman…porked
If it is two women…forgetaboutit
@pemulis and mike h.: i knew people that would go to the road for lunch no joke. i recently met someone who orders from there and didn’t even know that they had free wine. the food isn’t horrible but come on, is it worth it without the free hooch. i have friends who come to town who’s only request is that we go to silk road. not any other site in ny, just straight to the upper west for basically a situation you could recreated pretty much anywhere in the world that sells boxes of wine and has chinese take out (at our laziest in college we would just get a box of wine and order from number one luck sang (now with more pigeon!), equally as devastating).
my friend once was drunk enough to take home a bald dude who admitted to having herpes after a night at the road. decision making at its finest.
Actually, it gets better. They rented out a penthouse suite where eight of them were staying, while me and two other guys decided to splurge for our own room, like grownups, elsewhere in the hotel. After the trip, they sent us an email asking us to pay for a share of the penthouse, in addition to our own hotel room, because “we all hung out there on Saturday afternoon
@otto: that’s why douchebags who try to live beyond their means should be shot to death after being trampled by the bulls in Pamplona. Muthafuck those cockknockers.
@ pemulis Silk Road on a Wednesday! Who are you? R.Kelly?
Actually, we used to go every Thursday night freshman year. Weekday blacking out warms the soul, and puts a smile on the kids’ faces.
@ Reggie Bush
There is a major flaw with No. 2. Don’t take the check and try to hand it down, people like me will just hand you cash – then you’re stuck collecting from everyone, which means you get fucked.
@SOS
Fuck tipping the busboy, the waiters and bartenders tip them out at the end of the night. I have had that job and it does suck balls, but you play your cards right and you’ll make more than the waiters.
@mike h, smurphette and pemulis: there really isn’t anything like the silk road palace. even though i have seen the spouts being ripped off the boxes of wine for more effective pouring i am still convinced there is an old chinese woman with a vat of shitty white wine that she is mixing opium into. that shit puts you into a coma. not immediately, but once you sleep, you go down hard for about 5 hours before you wake up in a place you don’t recognize or remember getting to even if it’s your apartment. pretty sure last time i went there i ended up raped.
all of my wine glasses and carafes were stolen from silk road. in fact, it’s about the only way i would end up with carafes in my kitchen otherwise. or wine glasses.
it’s a dangerous place to go if you went to college in NY cause you will undoubtedly run into someone from college their, and they sucked.
Oh, and 20% tip. Minimum. More if she’s hot. They’re making $2.20/hour. If you can’t spare the extra $10 don’t eat out your cheap prick.
That Silk Road place sounds like a place in Long Island my family likes to go to. Same thing. Never-ending carafes of wine? Yes please.
Tapas? I had to Wiki that shit. WTF? Gayest thing ever. I miss NYC like JFK misses Dallas.
Group dinners? Fuck and no. It’s dinner for 2 or nothing. Fuck the rest of the human race. Oh, I’m 30, and couldn’t be happier that I don’t see my married friends with kids much anymore. Dumb fucks.
I am however a big fan of spinish-artichoke dip. My soon-to-be-ex-wife makes a great dip.
the fact that you are forced to eat a group dinner at a tapas bar shows how fucking absurdity of the situation.
@alx: QUARTERS? QUARTERS? ARE YOU FUCKIN’ KIDDING ME? After beating his ass, I would have given him his quarters back so he could wash the blood from his clothes.
What a fuckstick.
I hate these as well. They are almost always arranged by some stupid bitch who will say things like “their food is to die for” or bitch afterwards that ” I’ll need to do more cardio tomorrow”, fuck you and your cardio
Damn, you’re angry.