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		<title>By: Vanilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If I am reading into your link properly, you are criticizing Ape for the level of stress and possibly the unlikelihood of him being successful?&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re not &quot;reading into&quot; it correctly. I&#039;m not criticizing Mike for anything other than his behavior vis a vis &lt;i&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/i&gt;. In my opinion, Mike is no hero. I feel sorry for him; he flamed out, and that has to feel bad. If he can make a go of it as a blogger, more power to him. It&#039;s not something I&#039;d want to attempt, but to haul out a couple old chestnuts: different people are different and it&#039;s a free country.

&lt;i&gt;Am still wondering whether Ape was summarily fired, as he wrote, and gave up any severance dollars, or agreed to resign (though under massive pressure, obviously) in order to depart with some cash.&lt;/i&gt;

My guess, and I stress that it&#039;s only a guess, is that Mike got two weeks severance pay. Life in a suburban bureau of any newspaper is pretty close to the edge.

&lt;i&gt;Just another example of the old guard (papers) not trusting the new guard (blogs). This site has never defamed the Washington Post in anyway. In my opinion, this dismissal was sophomoric on the paper&#039;s part.&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree. Newspapers, including &lt;i&gt;The Post&lt;/i&gt; now have blogs of their own. They are adapting, albeit slowly and likely too late. Mike most certainly defamed his employer, which responded as you&#039;d expect an employer to respond. The only &quot;sophomoric&quot; thing here was Mike&#039;s behavior. I seriously doubt that he&#039;ll ever repeat such mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If I am reading into your link properly, you are criticizing Ape for the level of stress and possibly the unlikelihood of him being successful?</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re not &#8220;reading into&#8221; it correctly. I&#8217;m not criticizing Mike for anything other than his behavior vis a vis <i>The Washington Post</i>. In my opinion, Mike is no hero. I feel sorry for him; he flamed out, and that has to feel bad. If he can make a go of it as a blogger, more power to him. It&#8217;s not something I&#8217;d want to attempt, but to haul out a couple old chestnuts: different people are different and it&#8217;s a free country.</p>
<p><i>Am still wondering whether Ape was summarily fired, as he wrote, and gave up any severance dollars, or agreed to resign (though under massive pressure, obviously) in order to depart with some cash.</i></p>
<p>My guess, and I stress that it&#8217;s only a guess, is that Mike got two weeks severance pay. Life in a suburban bureau of any newspaper is pretty close to the edge.</p>
<p><i>Just another example of the old guard (papers) not trusting the new guard (blogs). This site has never defamed the Washington Post in anyway. In my opinion, this dismissal was sophomoric on the paper&#8217;s part.</i></p>
<p>I disagree. Newspapers, including <i>The Post</i> now have blogs of their own. They are adapting, albeit slowly and likely too late. Mike most certainly defamed his employer, which responded as you&#8217;d expect an employer to respond. The only &#8220;sophomoric&#8221; thing here was Mike&#8217;s behavior. I seriously doubt that he&#8217;ll ever repeat such mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another example of the old guard (papers) not trusting the new guard (blogs). This site has never defamed the Washington Post in anyway. In my opinion, this dismissal was  sophomoric on the paper&#039;s part. I don&#039;t see how Ape could have damaged the Post with this blog. He was fired for having a hobby his bosses didn&#039;t approve of, plain and simple. Shame on them.

And my professors told me journalism was a noble profession...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another example of the old guard (papers) not trusting the new guard (blogs). This site has never defamed the Washington Post in anyway. In my opinion, this dismissal was  sophomoric on the paper&#8217;s part. I don&#8217;t see how Ape could have damaged the Post with this blog. He was fired for having a hobby his bosses didn&#8217;t approve of, plain and simple. Shame on them.</p>
<p>And my professors told me journalism was a noble profession&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add that the restrictions placed on reporters is Reason #1 that I decided NOT to go into journalism.  I wanted to be a columnist and write opinions and humor, but first they make you toil for years as a reporter.  I could have handled the overnight beat or the lost dog stories, but not expressing an opinion for years would have killed me.  No way I could keep my mouth shut that long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add that the restrictions placed on reporters is Reason #1 that I decided NOT to go into journalism.  I wanted to be a columnist and write opinions and humor, but first they make you toil for years as a reporter.  I could have handled the overnight beat or the lost dog stories, but not expressing an opinion for years would have killed me.  No way I could keep my mouth shut that long.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, here&#039;s how journalism works:  if you have a column, you&#039;re an opinion writer and you can basically do whatever you want as an outside endeavor.

When you write news, you have to maintain journalistic objectivity.  THAT is the concept Ape missed.  Of course we know that football has nothing to do with suburban news.  We also know that many &quot;news&quot; writers do express opinions.  Remember, though, that &quot;talking heads&quot; are not really doing news, they are the equivalent of columnists in the opinion section.  

I think Ape failed to realize the extent to which management--and older journalists--take the idea of &quot;objectivity.&quot;  Enough of what Ape has written on KSK is controversial enough (and not just the profanity and dick jokes) about issues beyond football that once he outed himself (with helpful links) he simply could no longer be a news reporter. &quot;Lacist shoes?&quot;

Maybe he really HATED the reporting he was doing so much, he figured outing himself was a good way to ensure he wouldn&#039;t be on suburbia any more.  I don&#039;t think he really thought he&#039;d be fired (let alone escorted out of the building), but it was a hell of a gamble.  

Ape, you put your cards on the table, you showed them you can do a lot more than lost dog writing, but instead of moving you to one of the other jobs you&#039;d applied for, but you lost.  You knew it wasn&#039;t going to work anyway, because you basically flipped the Post the bird when you outed yourself.  

It&#039;s not about being pictured drunk or profanity, really.  If you are going to write news, you can&#039;t have an opinion (not under your real name).  Not even if your opinions are a LOT tamer than your very inspired work on KSK.  

So let&#039;s be clear about why you were really fired.  I DO admire the sense of duty Ape showed in &quot;outing&quot; himself once KSK went paid and was no longer a hobby.  It took a lot of courage, and the fact that he gave Full Disclosure says a lot about him as a person and as a journalist.  But there were mistakes in judgment here about a reporter keeping objectivity--or, just as important, the appearance of objectivity.  AS they say, you report the news.  When you BECOME the news, very quickly you lose your job reporting the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, here&#8217;s how journalism works:  if you have a column, you&#8217;re an opinion writer and you can basically do whatever you want as an outside endeavor.</p>
<p>When you write news, you have to maintain journalistic objectivity.  THAT is the concept Ape missed.  Of course we know that football has nothing to do with suburban news.  We also know that many &#8220;news&#8221; writers do express opinions.  Remember, though, that &#8220;talking heads&#8221; are not really doing news, they are the equivalent of columnists in the opinion section.  </p>
<p>I think Ape failed to realize the extent to which management&#8211;and older journalists&#8211;take the idea of &#8220;objectivity.&#8221;  Enough of what Ape has written on KSK is controversial enough (and not just the profanity and dick jokes) about issues beyond football that once he outed himself (with helpful links) he simply could no longer be a news reporter. &#8220;Lacist shoes?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe he really HATED the reporting he was doing so much, he figured outing himself was a good way to ensure he wouldn&#8217;t be on suburbia any more.  I don&#8217;t think he really thought he&#8217;d be fired (let alone escorted out of the building), but it was a hell of a gamble.  </p>
<p>Ape, you put your cards on the table, you showed them you can do a lot more than lost dog writing, but instead of moving you to one of the other jobs you&#8217;d applied for, but you lost.  You knew it wasn&#8217;t going to work anyway, because you basically flipped the Post the bird when you outed yourself.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about being pictured drunk or profanity, really.  If you are going to write news, you can&#8217;t have an opinion (not under your real name).  Not even if your opinions are a LOT tamer than your very inspired work on KSK.  </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s be clear about why you were really fired.  I DO admire the sense of duty Ape showed in &#8220;outing&#8221; himself once KSK went paid and was no longer a hobby.  It took a lot of courage, and the fact that he gave Full Disclosure says a lot about him as a person and as a journalist.  But there were mistakes in judgment here about a reporter keeping objectivity&#8211;or, just as important, the appearance of objectivity.  AS they say, you report the news.  When you BECOME the news, very quickly you lose your job reporting the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am still wondering whether Ape was summarily fired, as he wrote, and gave up any severance dollars, or agreed to resign (though under massive pressure, obviously) in order to depart with some cash.</description>
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		<title>By: DevilM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry not lauded at the end, but criticized.</description>
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		<title>By: DevilM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I am reading into your link properly, you are criticizing Ape for the level of stress and possibly the unlikelihood of him being successful?
Analyzing the construction of the American political structure, I would contend that the stereotypical expectation of society to force individuals into positions where they would have the highest likelihood to earn the maximum dollar value at the lowest level of stress is diminishing. The country is undergoing a significant shift in expectation on the individual, due to a number of uninteresting factors, to pursue his own experiment in living. It would appear than Ape was not enjoying working for such a medium so he chose a different path due to the circumstances. Singling him out as lack in guidance seems to be, in this case, less compelling because he happens to enjoy working and providing entertainment in a different medium. It is apparent that his disconnection from the larger and seemingly oppressive system of values inherent in the expansively communitarian journalistic segment of society reflects a positive endeavour rather than something to be lauded for.

But what do I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I am reading into your link properly, you are criticizing Ape for the level of stress and possibly the unlikelihood of him being successful?<br />
Analyzing the construction of the American political structure, I would contend that the stereotypical expectation of society to force individuals into positions where they would have the highest likelihood to earn the maximum dollar value at the lowest level of stress is diminishing. The country is undergoing a significant shift in expectation on the individual, due to a number of uninteresting factors, to pursue his own experiment in living. It would appear than Ape was not enjoying working for such a medium so he chose a different path due to the circumstances. Singling him out as lack in guidance seems to be, in this case, less compelling because he happens to enjoy working and providing entertainment in a different medium. It is apparent that his disconnection from the larger and seemingly oppressive system of values inherent in the expansively communitarian journalistic segment of society reflects a positive endeavour rather than something to be lauded for.</p>
<p>But what do I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sorry, screwed up the HTML code. Try this version:&lt;/i&gt;

Devil and Eli, a couple things.

Mike wrote the following to Joe Strupp of E&amp;P, scolding Strupp for not trying hard enough to contact him: &lt;i&gt;This is journalism at its laziest and it&#039;s a testament to why I&#039;m glad to be out of that profession.&lt;/i&gt;

So, what is Mike doing now? Writing for a blog. Which is still journalism, but with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/technology/06sweat.html?_r=2&amp;oref=login&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;crucial difference&lt;/a&gt;. Fortunately for Mike, he&#039;s young enough to take a new direction, and to finish growing up.</description>
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<p>Devil and Eli, a couple things.</p>
<p>Mike wrote the following to Joe Strupp of E&amp;P, scolding Strupp for not trying hard enough to contact him: <i>This is journalism at its laziest and it&#8217;s a testament to why I&#8217;m glad to be out of that profession.</i></p>
<p>So, what is Mike doing now? Writing for a blog. Which is still journalism, but with a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/technology/06sweat.html?_r=2&amp;oref=login" rel="nofollow">crucial difference</a>. Fortunately for Mike, he&#8217;s young enough to take a new direction, and to finish growing up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil and Eli, a couple things.

Mike wrote the following to Joe Strupp of E&amp;P, scolding Strupp for not trying hard enough to contact him: &lt;i&gt;This is journalism at its laziest and it&#039;s a testament to why I&#039;m glad to be out of that profession.&lt;/i&gt;

So, what is Mike doing now? Writing for a blog. Which is still journalism, but with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/technology/06sweat.html?_r=2&amp;oref=login&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;crucial difference&lt;/i&gt;. Fortunately for Mike, he&#039;s young enough to take a new direction, and to finish growing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil and Eli, a couple things.</p>
<p>Mike wrote the following to Joe Strupp of E&amp;P, scolding Strupp for not trying hard enough to contact him: <i>This is journalism at its laziest and it&#8217;s a testament to why I&#8217;m glad to be out of that profession.</i></p>
<p>So, what is Mike doing now? Writing for a blog. Which is still journalism, but with a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/technology/06sweat.html?_r=2&amp;oref=login" rel="nofollow">crucial difference. Fortunately for Mike, he&#8217;s young enough to take a new direction, and to finish growing up.</a></p>
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